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To think it is not at all sad that the Women's Institute is now only for actual women?

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 03/12/2025 11:36

“Incredibly sadly, we will have to restrict our membership on the basis of biological sex from April next year,” Green said. “But the message we really want to get across is that it remains our firm belief that transgender women are women, and that doesn’t change.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/dec/03/womens-institute-no-longer-accept-trans-women-members-april

Tellingly - they still think women can have a penis.

Women’s Institute will no longer accept trans women as members from April

Exclusive: CEO says decision taken with ‘utmost regret and sadness’ after supreme court ruling on definition of a woman

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/dec/03/womens-institute-no-longer-accept-trans-women-members-april

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ThatCyanCat · 06/12/2025 21:23

If being vile means keeping dicks out of the ladies' and maintaining spaces suitable for vulnerable women, I don't want to be pleasant. I'd rather be vile than a liar, a gaslighter, a pervert enabler or a blithering idiot.

ProfessorMyAmpleSheep · 06/12/2025 21:23

S1ngS1ng · 06/12/2025 19:08

And so it goes on, just vile.

II think it’s important to point out that the age of #bekind is over, and vile or not, the answer is still a firm “no”.

ArabellaSaurus · 06/12/2025 21:25

Hoppinggreen · 06/12/2025 21:11

there is though, they are men and men cannot access spaces or organisations that are women only
If not being able to join Guides or WI makes a man or boy want to kill themselves I would suggest that they are pretty fragile and need some help.

The reason to ban transwomen from women only spaces is because they are men.

ArabellaSaurus · 06/12/2025 21:27
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Vile. Bigot. Terf. Viper. Hyena. Fascist. Bitch.

SabrinaThwaite · 06/12/2025 21:29

ArabellaSaurus · 06/12/2025 21:27

Vile. Bigot. Terf. Viper. Hyena. Fascist. Bitch.

You’ve forgotten Prosecco stormfront.

Although personally I prefer Cava.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 06/12/2025 21:30

And this nonsense is exactly why I left. A woman m does not have, and has never had, a penis. Anyone who has ever had a penis cannot understand what it means to be a woman . A person can identify as the opposite sex, but that doesn't change reality. Otherwise, I'd identify as Cher...

ThatCyanCat · 06/12/2025 21:36

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 06/12/2025 21:30

And this nonsense is exactly why I left. A woman m does not have, and has never had, a penis. Anyone who has ever had a penis cannot understand what it means to be a woman . A person can identify as the opposite sex, but that doesn't change reality. Otherwise, I'd identify as Cher...

Will you return now?

ThatCyanCat · 06/12/2025 21:37

SabrinaThwaite · 06/12/2025 21:29

You’ve forgotten Prosecco stormfront.

Although personally I prefer Cava.

Lol, I remember that! So offensive. How dare he imply that I drink prosecco?

SabrinaThwaite · 06/12/2025 21:43

ThatCyanCat · 06/12/2025 21:37

Lol, I remember that! So offensive. How dare he imply that I drink prosecco?

🤣

ArabellaSaurus · 06/12/2025 21:46

ThatCyanCat · 06/12/2025 21:36

Will you return now?

She can't turn back time.

ThatCyanCat · 06/12/2025 21:53

ArabellaSaurus · 06/12/2025 21:46

She can't turn back time.

But since it's going back to single sex, I wonder if she might rejoin, or if it's lost its place in her heart now. I wouldn't blame her.

ArabellaSaurus · 06/12/2025 22:09

If they could find a way?

But maybe she's had time to think it through.

😁

Nanny0gg · 06/12/2025 22:17

ArabellaSaurus · 06/12/2025 20:21

Imagine if the WI did the unthinkable, and surveyed members!

God forbid!!

Nanny0gg · 06/12/2025 22:19

ArabellaSaurus · 06/12/2025 20:20

We know from polls that the majority of women are loosely what is often called 'gender critical', and dont want men in single sex spaces. I'd be very surprised if the WI didnt reflect societal attitudes.

And also, like in the real world, the TRAs are very, very vocal and some verging on rude and spiteful

Nanny0gg · 06/12/2025 22:21

ThatCyanCat · 03/12/2025 20:54

It's not true of all TIM, but in many cases, they resent what they see as women's sexual power and transgenderism is their attempt to "dethrone" us (I've seen abusive messages shared by GC women that use this word) and take that power for themselves. Since they think woman is something you perform, they think they'll perform it better.

See also: Dylan Mulvaney

ArabellaSaurus · 06/12/2025 22:29

Nanny0gg · 06/12/2025 22:19

And also, like in the real world, the TRAs are very, very vocal and some verging on rude and spiteful

Yes. A vocal minority.

Nanny0gg · 06/12/2025 22:30

Rosealea · 04/12/2025 11:05

It's sad that it's narrowing membership at a time when there is far too much separation going on. Hopefully there's enough time for them to change their minds. It'd be a better and nicer place with men and trans members included.

No. It would not.

it works just fine

ScotiaCat · 06/12/2025 22:41

ThatCyanCat · 06/12/2025 20:58

Oh good God, not again. How do so many of you spend time in these discussions and not see the same gotchas and answers 50000000 times?

Fine. According to the ruling, if a woman really does pass that convincingly as a man, she can legally be excluded from a single sex space. That's because she will be perceived as a man and cause the same distress, alarm and self exclusion as if she really were one. It's also an acceptable cost in maintaining single sex spaces. In all safeguards, you sometimes keep out the wrong person, but that's how it has to be to keep out the right people.

That does present a problem for the TM but that's their problem and their doctors and surgeons should ensure they are fully informed.

However, a woman needs to do much, much, much more than have short hair and no makeup to actually pass as a man.

If I had a pound for every time someone's done the Transman Gotcha and this had to be explained, I could buy the WI myself. Why don't you lot read the SC ruling? It's pretty good.

Not here for the gotchas tbh. But wouldn't it violate the rights, rules and laws? Legit question. Wouldn't it be all or none?

ThatCyanCat · 06/12/2025 22:42

ScotiaCat · 06/12/2025 22:41

Not here for the gotchas tbh. But wouldn't it violate the rights, rules and laws? Legit question. Wouldn't it be all or none?

Did you read the post? I answered all this.

Nanny0gg · 06/12/2025 22:49

BIossomtoes · 06/12/2025 09:05

I gave the local WI group a whirl. I only managed one meeting, I can’t imagine what the appeal is.

Every WI is different.

I have gained lots of new friends. Had some brilliant times and laughed and laughed.

And I've lived her for 30+ years and had never come across many of these people before

Try before you buy

ScotiaCat · 06/12/2025 22:49

ThatCyanCat · 06/12/2025 22:42

Did you read the post? I answered all this.

Oh, sorry. Fairly sure you haven't. Or it hasn't come across. Just want to know how would apply the law in this case as it would be a violation of it. And most of the time the point here as been all or none and such.
Like are y'all fighting for trans men rights in single sex spaces?

Nanny0gg · 06/12/2025 22:51

BIossomtoes · 06/12/2025 10:58

I live rurally too. It was really uncomfortable. Nobody talked to me. It was incredibly cliquey. I gather some of the groups in big cities are much more interesting and age diverse. Mine’s pretty much exclusively millennial.

They're all different

Some are 'cliquey' because there are often groups of friends who meet there but the one I go to is known for being friendly and no-one is left on their own

SternJoyousBeev2 · 06/12/2025 22:53

ScotiaCat · 06/12/2025 22:49

Oh, sorry. Fairly sure you haven't. Or it hasn't come across. Just want to know how would apply the law in this case as it would be a violation of it. And most of the time the point here as been all or none and such.
Like are y'all fighting for trans men rights in single sex spaces?

What particular rules and law do you think would be violated by what?

ThatCyanCat · 06/12/2025 22:53

ScotiaCat · 06/12/2025 22:49

Oh, sorry. Fairly sure you haven't. Or it hasn't come across. Just want to know how would apply the law in this case as it would be a violation of it. And most of the time the point here as been all or none and such.
Like are y'all fighting for trans men rights in single sex spaces?

I really, really have. Look at the posts. But on the off chance you're not being totally disingenuous...

Yes, transmen can join because they're women, no contradiction there. However, transmen who truly pass as men can legally be excluded because they will be perceived as men and their presence will cause the same distress, alarm and self exclusion as actual men. This is considered an acceptable cost as safeguards do sometimes filter out the wrong person as an inevitable consequence of filtering out the right people and it's the transmen's problem to solve, as they chose to make these excessive physical changes.

Ok? I don't know how to simplify it any further.

Nanny0gg · 06/12/2025 22:55

Soontobe60 · 06/12/2025 13:41

WI is a charity that was set up specifically for the benefit of women. Their policy of allowing men who identify as women to become members only came into force in 2015. Nowhere in its constitution does it say that men can become members. A woman is an adult human female, as well you know.

And we were not asked nor specifically told.

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