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My best friend of nearly 20 years and I have fallen out

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Mondura · 02/12/2025 14:04

a long one..

My friend and I have known each other for 17 years. We both live in the UK. We’ve had a wider friendship circle since our twenties when we met but ppl move away and their lives end up going in different directions so it's not a strong group of friends anymore. I’d say she’s been a constant, supportive presence in my life throughout these years and we’ve never fallen out until a couple of months ago. I’m not even sure how things got to this point. She is turning 40 soon (a few months before me) and together with a third friend we were trying to organise something to celebrate her birthday. We all had some ideas, put them in the group chat but she decided she just wanted something simple, like going away to a cottage, just the three of us, have a few drinks, dinner, stay a night or two and just chat, laugh relax, etc. Great, nothing complicated or so I thought. Our third friend and I suggested a country pub with rooms which we’ve both been very impressed by previously, it had other locations in the UK, great service, lovely atmosphere, we were very keen to make the most of it. Our third friend sent some links and she highlighted some of the rooms have two beds, she’ll try and find maybe a family room, but can’t see a cottage on the grounds with multiple rooms. Fine, nothing has been decided and I said I’m happy to take a separate room maybe next to them and don’t mind the extra cost if they prefer sharing the two-bed one. We’ve known each other for a long time, all three of us know that I can afford a bit more in life in general. It hasn’t always been the case, we worked hard for the money we have, run a business, take risks etc. that’s not to say, they are poor, they can both afford luxury holidays, meals out, lovely clothes etc, so none of these things have ever really been an issue. My friend, the birthday girl, didn’t reply to my suggestion to book two rooms, we were all in a rush to do things that morning anyway, we knew it wasn’t going to be finalised so just left it. She then sent another link to the chat a few days later with an Airbnb link for another, cheaper cottage. We all liked it, lovely place, location, great! I was going away a few days later but was keen to finalise something for my friend so we'd have it locked in the calendar and had this short getaway to look forward to so instead of packing and getting myself organised, I prioritised this trip and started my morning looking into booking this. I told them that I’m happy to advance the payment and they can just transfer it later, I just wanted to look through the listing again to make sure it’s all to our liking and needs and I’m ready to book it. My friend messaged back that it’s fine and if it’s ok if she transfers her share the following month. I said ok. Then I was looking for the room configuration on the listing which was a bit hard to figure out, but I found it and it was a cottage with two double bedrooms and a living room with a sofa (not pull out). I sent in a screenshot with the caption “this one only has two bedrooms”. This is where things kicked off. She seemed to have gotten really upset and replied that I should just find another one then. I didn’t reply as I sensed that she was upset. We generally text or call each other almost every day, often multiple times a day, so I can read between the lines, she was not happy. I said I can look for something else, but not until I come back from my upcoming trip a week later so we can park this for now if that’s what she wants. She then messaged again saying it’s best to cancel the whole thing, all of us have different needs, she doesn’t want to go away any more, just a simple dinner is fine. I didn’t reply, because I was busy getting myself ready, I was already short on sleep and had a lot to do, I didn’t want to engage in discussing it further. It was clear that the booking wasn’t going to go ahead then. So I didn’t respond, she then private messaged me and said the same thing that it’s best to not go ahead at all with the plans. It’s her call of course, but then I replied saying I don’t understand and I don’t think it’s fair to now just shut it all down when we’ve all planned so much and looked forward to this ( took forever to find dates that suited us all). We were ready to book and it sounded like the ‘everyone has different needs’ is aimed at me as if my needs were too much. I said I don’t mind looking for a bigger cottage and I’ll just pay the difference for the third room if that’s the issue as it’s no problem for me. I was very polite and I tried to come up with a solution though I didn’t really understand why she got so agitated so suddenly. She then became pretty abusive saying she knows I can afford it, I rub this under their noses all the time. Last time when our other friend sent a link, I also told them I can afford a separate room for myself and that’s it’s not cool and I should really have a think about how I communicate because I come across entitled. I was shocked and started crying. I was totally oblivious to this if it was the case and really I thought I'm just booking a trip for my best friend and doing my best to be flexible.I scrolled back in the messages to see if I was rude or what exactly I said but I genuinely just stated that I don’t mind going for an extra room for myself. She knows I’m an awful sleeper, I send her screenshots of my sleep stats often and we analyse it together, I usually need a dark, quiet room and although we have shared rooms and even bed together in the past, I’d rather pay for my comfort levels approaching our 40s if we can afford it. Clearly her main issue was not me wanting a separate room, but it was deeper than that. It just seems she never expressed these to me. I stopped responding. I saw her last message later on where she says I’ve been the one person who is closest to her in the past 20 years and that she loves me, sort of like a half-assed apology where she probably realised how overboard she went. But I just couldn’t continue writing anything after all this and I had a lot to do that day anyway. I shouldn't have started the day with this booking as I had a lot on. She then tried to ring me in the afternoon and again in the evening, but I was on the school run in the afternoon, then took a sedative for the night (I don't often do this), but I had to calm down somehow and it was important that I had a good night's sleep before an early start to my flight. Over a week went past and I didn't contact her. In fact I muted her chat and the other chat too, which had all three of us in originally as I just couldn't deal with the drama plus I was away with my daughter, I didn't really have time to myself to dive into this whole 'who said what and why' saga.I also didn't want this to ruin my time away with my daughter though it definitely overshadowed it. I cried a lot at night or when she couldn't see me. I also didn't really know what to write tbh. I don't often post on social media, so whenever I snap pictures of what I do, where I am, what I eat etc, I just send a few to some selected friends and my husband. So this friend would've in normal circumstances received a lot of pics from my trip away, but I just had such a block in me. She said I rub things under her nose, so I didn't want to send her a pic of us sitting at the airport lounge. On arrival we went out of dinner to a new spot she actually specifically talked about before. I didn't want to send pics of the food. What if we spent too much? Would that be rubbing it under her nose? Suddenly everything I did felt like I was in the wrong and I was no longer able to share my life with her, because who knows what else I'd done in the past which was too much for her to handle? So I basically just parked this whole thing in my mind to deal with later and tried to enjoy my time away. A few days after getting back home, she messaged me again asking if I cared to discuss what happened at all. I replied politely and told her that I don't really know what to say and it still hasn't settled enough in me plus I'm busy catching up on life and work after returning from my trip (which she knew the length of) She said we should meet in person to discuss, but I told her I genuinely don't have time to know go out in the evening for this as I've only just got back and my other daughter terribly missed me and I just generally have a lot on. She became very accusatory again especially about the fact that I didn't respond at all for nearly two weeks (she said two weeks, it was a week and a half) and somehow I ended up reading more of how I did something wrong and how bad she felt during this time and that I shouldn't have just disappeared like that. I tried not to take offence, but it seemed a bit harsh from someone who was trying to mend things. So I told her I felt bad too, I just couldn't bring myself dealing with what she said as I feel like I can't be myself with her anymore. We try to text now regularly, but it's somewhat forced. It feels very awkward and I don't enjoy sharing anything with her. We got our car stolen a few months back and we recently got a brand new, better car and she was very interested in it previously. The car arrived after our fall out and she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose. She then stopped replying for a few days. I reached out afterwards to meet in person finally in the hope that I'd feel differently about her or I don't really know what I expected really. We met and I don't think we discussed anything in more detail or better just because we were face to face. There was some crying, but mostly we just both tried to make the other one understand why we are hurt. We left, I texted her again the next day and we messaged since, but it's not the same. It's awful actually. I'm only texting out of some obligatory feeling. I lost a very good friend over such a stupid thing and I can't believe it's happening. We have a few things in the calendar lined up, which we haven't discussed. We take turns spending Christmas lunch at each others every year and it's their turn to host this year. We have shows booked and our children are similar ages, they are good friends and we always maintained that they see each other regularly. I think she wants the friendship to continue, but something has broken between us and I guess I can keep going like this; in a forced, uncomfortable manner but I'm looking for advice on how to get past it and feel free and comfortable again spending time with her. Right now I always just feel like any moment I can say or do something that constitutes entitled and will cross her boundaries over what is or isn't allowed. If she wasn't important to me, I could just let this all go, but I'm really struggling to let my hurt and anger, but mostly sadness go away so we can just be happy friends again planning our next adventure.

OP posts:
ThisSassyHam · 02/12/2025 15:28

I’m sorry that happened to you or congratulations. I dunno I gave up 1/4 way in as that wall of text was far too much 🤷🏾‍♀️

SockBanana · 02/12/2025 15:29

I don't know if this is genuinely how you are or if you are choosing to believe your own narrative. But what sort of trip means you don't have time to send a few texts to your best friend, or look at a couple of air bnb listings?
Reading between the lines, it sounds as if you like things a certain way, and would generally choose where you stayed/be in charge of booking. Friend is a bit annoyed by it, and when you responded negatively to BOTH suggested venues for HER birthday she snapped and told you to look for something yourself.
She was harsh, you were upset, and neither of you communicated well.
At this point you've chosen to punish her with the silent treatment, and later made resentful remarks about her earlier comments.
None of it went your way, or hers. Bang your heads together and sort it out if you want to save the friendship.
Communicate. Ask some blunt questions.
There was truth in the hurtful things she said to you - you might not want to hear it but that doesnt mean she's wrong. Look at your own behaviour, and also communicate to your friend about which parts of her behaviour hurt you. (Not 'I didnt like that you called out my shit behaviour')

CiderWithRosie1972 · 02/12/2025 15:30

Just meet for coffee or lunch only for a while.

Ophy83 · 02/12/2025 15:31

You turned something small into a huge drama. There was no need to be crying every night on holiday, or blanking her for 2 weeks, then your comment about the car was awful! She was just showing an interest, you could have replied "it's really lovely thanks! Almost worth having the old car stolen" or whatever.

Also- a friend of that long standing should be able to make an honest comment without you taking it to heart so much. If you really hadn't meant to show off about being richer than them why not just say "I'm so sorry I wasn't meaning that at all, I just didn't want you to have to be out of pocket because of my sleep issues"

I think now the ball is in your court on this friendship and if you are going to get back to where you were you will probably have some sincere apologising to do.

Zad22 · 02/12/2025 15:33

You were okay for 2 rooms in a pub but when it was two rooms in a cottage it wasn’t okay anymore… I don’t understand that as the same arrangement as the hotel / pub could have been organised with them sharing and you in your own room.

It does sound like you are very generous with your earnings and that’s great but sounds like the way you communicate it could be more sensitive.

I can see where her frustration comes from and on reading the synopsis from other posters sounds like she is actually trying hard to salvage the friendship.

I would say park it and move on together, life is too short to have long fall outs over nothing.

Arthurnewyorkcity · 02/12/2025 15:33

She was wrong but I can see why she got annoyed. Clearly she was happy to share a room with a friend and felt judged by you discussing single rooms. You could have had one to yourself. She got snappy and apologised. You were then so upset you kept crying but couldnt message to say you'd be in touch soon? She then organised the meet up. Your comment about the car was uncalled for. I dont think id want to continue being your friend if this is how you deal with fall outs. You're both in the wrong but the only person ensuring it continues is you

BillieWiper · 02/12/2025 15:33

It sounds like you're not going to get over her comments which were made in anger. It seems like it's her that's trying to make amends.

Whereas you stopped speaking to her for weeks and then made that unnecessary rude remark about your car being too expensive. You can't accept that maybe her feelings were valid?

You did say you could 'afford more' than they can which isn't the subtlest of things to say to your friends.

I'd never say it even if I was a multimillionaire and my friend was homeless. Well especially in those circumstances I wouldn't!

Either you accept her olive branch or the friendship has run it's course. But it seems a lot to dwell on something that was just a frustrated clash of personalities/priorities.

Homegrownberries · 02/12/2025 15:34

The car arrived after our fall out and she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose. She then stopped replying for a few days.

You owe her an apology for that. She was trying to be nice and your response was nasty.

Hankunamatata · 02/12/2025 15:34

SL2924 · 02/12/2025 15:14

Small argument got a bit out of hand and then you’ve basically poured petrol on the fire and made it loads worse by ignoring her and throwing more in her face about your car etc. honestly I think you are more of the issue in the scenario. Sounds like your friend has tried quite hard to sort it out.

This

TidyCyan · 02/12/2025 15:37

Hankunamatata · 02/12/2025 15:34

This

Yep.

You've met in person and it doesn't sound like you apologised for basically telling her to piss off until you "had time" to be friends again. No wonder it all feels a bit awkward. That was your window.

Get through whatever you've booked together at Christmas then go and enjoy your money, er, I mean life.

BeardOToots · 02/12/2025 15:37

It amazes me that people come on a text based forum and then complain that there is too much to read.

BunnyLake · 02/12/2025 15:39

I think you lost points being sarky about the new car though. I do understand how a friendship can feel awkward after feeling hurt over something others might deem unimportant. I have a friend who made a sarky hurtful comment to me on text and I have just never been able to really get past it, something just died inside. We are still friends but I don’t feel the same anymore and I rarely instigate anything, in my head she is always that friend who verbally attacked me. It was several year’s ago but a ‘throwaway’ personal attack can cut deep. I would maybe just carry on as you are and it will either fizzle out or you come back together. I never confronted my friend I just changed how I felt about her.

YouBelongHere · 02/12/2025 15:39

Also just to add I had a minor fall out with a friend a few years ago, it was a bit of a group one, basically a fuss over nothing. One girl muted our chat for two weeks until one of the other girls reached out to her and basically said 'if you have a problem then fine let's discuss it but if you give us the silent treatment again then you can forget it'.

It's childish. Maybe she was wrong to blow up at you, we don't know how to the convo played out but you're the one dragging this out and blowing it out of proportion.

Daisymay8 · 02/12/2025 15:39

Your rich (however much you worked hard to earn it that’s irrelevant here) she’s not.
Shes upset at not having lots of money /jealous / feels awkward letting you pay more.
Put it behind you both and get back to being friends.

Travsmam · 02/12/2025 15:40

I think you’re not a very nice person. You’ve made your friend almost beg for some kind of comms and then knocked her back. I wouldn’t want you as a friend.

AdjustingVideoFrameRate · 02/12/2025 15:40

ExtraOnions · 02/12/2025 14:20

What a load of fuss about nothing.

essentially ..

You were going for a weekend away, it all got complicated due to dates / location. She found somewhere she liked (eventually) you said it wasn’t suitable, she got fustrated .. suggested you find a different one.. you ignored that message.. when you do eventually reply you said you will look for something when you get back in a weeks time.. after that she said “let’s just cancel the whole thing” (I would probably have done the same)

I think you made it worse by essentially ghosting her for 2 weeks.

Don’t keep saying that you can “pay more” .. I’ve got more income than people I go away with, I never mention that I can afford “better” that the level they have chosen. I make a real effort to not come over as “lady bountiful” - maybe you do make it sound a bit “I’m considerably better off than you”

She tried several times to get in touch and build bridges .. you turned them all down, with a list of fairly weak excuses.

Look, you can do one of two things .. you can think “you know what, we couid both have done better, let’s learn and move on” or you can say “nope, it’s all gone to far, I’m done” .. it’s up to you.

You are not blameless in all this.

This post sums it up perfectly.

NerrSnerr · 02/12/2025 15:40

YABU

She snapped at you because she’d found somewhere she wanted to stay, within her budget and you decided it wasn’t good enough but couldn’t do anything about it for a couple of weeks. After that there was a lot of ignoring, crying and unkind comments from your side. She’s clearly tried to sort things out.

SkibiddyRizz · 02/12/2025 15:42

Surely no-one read to the end.

BunnyLake · 02/12/2025 15:42

Homegrownberries · 02/12/2025 15:34

The car arrived after our fall out and she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose. She then stopped replying for a few days.

You owe her an apology for that. She was trying to be nice and your response was nasty.

That was a shoot herself in the foot moment from OP.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 02/12/2025 15:44

My goodness what a lot of excuses you make.
You are such a busy person...

TheFunDog · 02/12/2025 15:45

Wow!
I read it all in one go and find most of the replies awfully unkind.... maybe that's because I have a similar relationship in my life??

I get you op.... my relationship has become strained after 30 years.... she has become penny pinching to an extreme and makes out im better off than she is which is ridiculous.... I'm a single parent and she's no children and a husband!!

I'm also trying to find a way back to our closeness.... I'll keep watching to see if I can find any advice from the wise MN's.

Woodwalk · 02/12/2025 15:45

You started to lose my sympathy firstly when (after the friends had already been happy with a shared room at the hotel) you felt the need to put a stop on booking the air BnB to point out...that they would have to share a bedroom? They were fine with that! If you had just booked it none of this would have happened. That will have come across as you slagging the place off.

You lost more sympathy when you ghosted your friend for a week and a half.

The last drops of sympathy went when you made that remark about your car being too expensive for you to want to comment on to her.

It's not easy when friendships have differing finances. The way round this is to work to the lowest budget, and if you choose to use your money to upgrade, do so in a way to enhance the experience for everybody.

I actually do think when away on a holiday the polite thing to do is wait for a friend to ask to see pictures etc. Sometimes it does make others feel rubbish to receive photos of gorgeous holiday locations when they can't afford to go away etc. If messaging friends whilst away ask what they are up to, and keep it generic your end 'having a good time, foods good' etc. If they want to know more, they'll ask.

Differentforgirls · 02/12/2025 15:46

BeardOToots · 02/12/2025 15:37

It amazes me that people come on a text based forum and then complain that there is too much to read.

I don't think it was the length, it was the fact there are no paragraphs.

muggart · 02/12/2025 15:47

NerrSnerr · 02/12/2025 15:40

YABU

She snapped at you because she’d found somewhere she wanted to stay, within her budget and you decided it wasn’t good enough but couldn’t do anything about it for a couple of weeks. After that there was a lot of ignoring, crying and unkind comments from your side. She’s clearly tried to sort things out.

Completely agree with this.

OP youve been sulking and punishing her for ages now, so no right to complain about a lost friendship. Rightly or wrongly she perceived you as being difficult about her birthday trip. You should have just got on the phone with her immediately and said “gosh sorry it came across that way. i just wanted to make sure it was a successful trip.” instead you ignored her for so long and made sulky comments. Very manipulative and immature.

WheresthesaladTheresthesalad · 02/12/2025 15:48

There was minor irritation on both sides re. finding middle ground with accommodation preferences.

Instead of sorting it out when she reached out to you multiple times, you ghosted her for 1.5 weeks. Then later when you did talk you made a loaded remark about not discussing your new car.

OP, it sounds like you wanted to punish her. You need to either apologise and learn from this or let the friendship go.