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My best friend of nearly 20 years and I have fallen out

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Mondura · 02/12/2025 14:04

a long one..

My friend and I have known each other for 17 years. We both live in the UK. We’ve had a wider friendship circle since our twenties when we met but ppl move away and their lives end up going in different directions so it's not a strong group of friends anymore. I’d say she’s been a constant, supportive presence in my life throughout these years and we’ve never fallen out until a couple of months ago. I’m not even sure how things got to this point. She is turning 40 soon (a few months before me) and together with a third friend we were trying to organise something to celebrate her birthday. We all had some ideas, put them in the group chat but she decided she just wanted something simple, like going away to a cottage, just the three of us, have a few drinks, dinner, stay a night or two and just chat, laugh relax, etc. Great, nothing complicated or so I thought. Our third friend and I suggested a country pub with rooms which we’ve both been very impressed by previously, it had other locations in the UK, great service, lovely atmosphere, we were very keen to make the most of it. Our third friend sent some links and she highlighted some of the rooms have two beds, she’ll try and find maybe a family room, but can’t see a cottage on the grounds with multiple rooms. Fine, nothing has been decided and I said I’m happy to take a separate room maybe next to them and don’t mind the extra cost if they prefer sharing the two-bed one. We’ve known each other for a long time, all three of us know that I can afford a bit more in life in general. It hasn’t always been the case, we worked hard for the money we have, run a business, take risks etc. that’s not to say, they are poor, they can both afford luxury holidays, meals out, lovely clothes etc, so none of these things have ever really been an issue. My friend, the birthday girl, didn’t reply to my suggestion to book two rooms, we were all in a rush to do things that morning anyway, we knew it wasn’t going to be finalised so just left it. She then sent another link to the chat a few days later with an Airbnb link for another, cheaper cottage. We all liked it, lovely place, location, great! I was going away a few days later but was keen to finalise something for my friend so we'd have it locked in the calendar and had this short getaway to look forward to so instead of packing and getting myself organised, I prioritised this trip and started my morning looking into booking this. I told them that I’m happy to advance the payment and they can just transfer it later, I just wanted to look through the listing again to make sure it’s all to our liking and needs and I’m ready to book it. My friend messaged back that it’s fine and if it’s ok if she transfers her share the following month. I said ok. Then I was looking for the room configuration on the listing which was a bit hard to figure out, but I found it and it was a cottage with two double bedrooms and a living room with a sofa (not pull out). I sent in a screenshot with the caption “this one only has two bedrooms”. This is where things kicked off. She seemed to have gotten really upset and replied that I should just find another one then. I didn’t reply as I sensed that she was upset. We generally text or call each other almost every day, often multiple times a day, so I can read between the lines, she was not happy. I said I can look for something else, but not until I come back from my upcoming trip a week later so we can park this for now if that’s what she wants. She then messaged again saying it’s best to cancel the whole thing, all of us have different needs, she doesn’t want to go away any more, just a simple dinner is fine. I didn’t reply, because I was busy getting myself ready, I was already short on sleep and had a lot to do, I didn’t want to engage in discussing it further. It was clear that the booking wasn’t going to go ahead then. So I didn’t respond, she then private messaged me and said the same thing that it’s best to not go ahead at all with the plans. It’s her call of course, but then I replied saying I don’t understand and I don’t think it’s fair to now just shut it all down when we’ve all planned so much and looked forward to this ( took forever to find dates that suited us all). We were ready to book and it sounded like the ‘everyone has different needs’ is aimed at me as if my needs were too much. I said I don’t mind looking for a bigger cottage and I’ll just pay the difference for the third room if that’s the issue as it’s no problem for me. I was very polite and I tried to come up with a solution though I didn’t really understand why she got so agitated so suddenly. She then became pretty abusive saying she knows I can afford it, I rub this under their noses all the time. Last time when our other friend sent a link, I also told them I can afford a separate room for myself and that’s it’s not cool and I should really have a think about how I communicate because I come across entitled. I was shocked and started crying. I was totally oblivious to this if it was the case and really I thought I'm just booking a trip for my best friend and doing my best to be flexible.I scrolled back in the messages to see if I was rude or what exactly I said but I genuinely just stated that I don’t mind going for an extra room for myself. She knows I’m an awful sleeper, I send her screenshots of my sleep stats often and we analyse it together, I usually need a dark, quiet room and although we have shared rooms and even bed together in the past, I’d rather pay for my comfort levels approaching our 40s if we can afford it. Clearly her main issue was not me wanting a separate room, but it was deeper than that. It just seems she never expressed these to me. I stopped responding. I saw her last message later on where she says I’ve been the one person who is closest to her in the past 20 years and that she loves me, sort of like a half-assed apology where she probably realised how overboard she went. But I just couldn’t continue writing anything after all this and I had a lot to do that day anyway. I shouldn't have started the day with this booking as I had a lot on. She then tried to ring me in the afternoon and again in the evening, but I was on the school run in the afternoon, then took a sedative for the night (I don't often do this), but I had to calm down somehow and it was important that I had a good night's sleep before an early start to my flight. Over a week went past and I didn't contact her. In fact I muted her chat and the other chat too, which had all three of us in originally as I just couldn't deal with the drama plus I was away with my daughter, I didn't really have time to myself to dive into this whole 'who said what and why' saga.I also didn't want this to ruin my time away with my daughter though it definitely overshadowed it. I cried a lot at night or when she couldn't see me. I also didn't really know what to write tbh. I don't often post on social media, so whenever I snap pictures of what I do, where I am, what I eat etc, I just send a few to some selected friends and my husband. So this friend would've in normal circumstances received a lot of pics from my trip away, but I just had such a block in me. She said I rub things under her nose, so I didn't want to send her a pic of us sitting at the airport lounge. On arrival we went out of dinner to a new spot she actually specifically talked about before. I didn't want to send pics of the food. What if we spent too much? Would that be rubbing it under her nose? Suddenly everything I did felt like I was in the wrong and I was no longer able to share my life with her, because who knows what else I'd done in the past which was too much for her to handle? So I basically just parked this whole thing in my mind to deal with later and tried to enjoy my time away. A few days after getting back home, she messaged me again asking if I cared to discuss what happened at all. I replied politely and told her that I don't really know what to say and it still hasn't settled enough in me plus I'm busy catching up on life and work after returning from my trip (which she knew the length of) She said we should meet in person to discuss, but I told her I genuinely don't have time to know go out in the evening for this as I've only just got back and my other daughter terribly missed me and I just generally have a lot on. She became very accusatory again especially about the fact that I didn't respond at all for nearly two weeks (she said two weeks, it was a week and a half) and somehow I ended up reading more of how I did something wrong and how bad she felt during this time and that I shouldn't have just disappeared like that. I tried not to take offence, but it seemed a bit harsh from someone who was trying to mend things. So I told her I felt bad too, I just couldn't bring myself dealing with what she said as I feel like I can't be myself with her anymore. We try to text now regularly, but it's somewhat forced. It feels very awkward and I don't enjoy sharing anything with her. We got our car stolen a few months back and we recently got a brand new, better car and she was very interested in it previously. The car arrived after our fall out and she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose. She then stopped replying for a few days. I reached out afterwards to meet in person finally in the hope that I'd feel differently about her or I don't really know what I expected really. We met and I don't think we discussed anything in more detail or better just because we were face to face. There was some crying, but mostly we just both tried to make the other one understand why we are hurt. We left, I texted her again the next day and we messaged since, but it's not the same. It's awful actually. I'm only texting out of some obligatory feeling. I lost a very good friend over such a stupid thing and I can't believe it's happening. We have a few things in the calendar lined up, which we haven't discussed. We take turns spending Christmas lunch at each others every year and it's their turn to host this year. We have shows booked and our children are similar ages, they are good friends and we always maintained that they see each other regularly. I think she wants the friendship to continue, but something has broken between us and I guess I can keep going like this; in a forced, uncomfortable manner but I'm looking for advice on how to get past it and feel free and comfortable again spending time with her. Right now I always just feel like any moment I can say or do something that constitutes entitled and will cross her boundaries over what is or isn't allowed. If she wasn't important to me, I could just let this all go, but I'm really struggling to let my hurt and anger, but mostly sadness go away so we can just be happy friends again planning our next adventure.

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Sartre · 02/12/2025 14:53

Like many others, I didn’t reach the end because it’s impossible to read without paragraphs. Guessing it was a formatting error on the app or something, I’ve seen it happen before.

I read about half. From what I gather you are wealthier than your friends, they are pretty comfortable but not as much as you. You found an expensive country pub to stay in but there were issues getting a room together so she looked elsewhere and found a more reasonably priced air BnB. You were going to book this in full and have them two repay you their share the following month when they were able to. You then vetoed the whole thing because it only has 2 bedrooms, even though it has a sofa bed too so I don’t get why you even mentioned it as an issue.

She’s upset because she could afford the air BnB although clearly not comfortably hence needing to wait to pay. She feels like you’re rubbing your wealth in her face.

The whole thing is a bit hyperbolic. The air BnB would have been fine. One in each room and one on the sofa bed.

emsyj37 · 02/12/2025 14:54

You sound really high maintenance - as others have said, your friend got annoyed and snapped at you, then repeatedly tried to make amends while you cold-shouldered her and now you're having full-on dramatics about what is a very minor incident in the context of a supportive and close 20 year friendship. If you want this person to continue to be a friend, you'll have to swallow your hurt pride and apologise, and mean it. Your comment about the car was bitchy and unnecessary - you can only hope that she forgives you for it. I think if this friendship ends, it will be your loss and not hers.

Sunshineandoranges · 02/12/2025 14:54

I would hate someone constantly telling me they were richer than me.

Llamallamafruitpyjama · 02/12/2025 14:56

ExtraOnions · 02/12/2025 14:20

What a load of fuss about nothing.

essentially ..

You were going for a weekend away, it all got complicated due to dates / location. She found somewhere she liked (eventually) you said it wasn’t suitable, she got fustrated .. suggested you find a different one.. you ignored that message.. when you do eventually reply you said you will look for something when you get back in a weeks time.. after that she said “let’s just cancel the whole thing” (I would probably have done the same)

I think you made it worse by essentially ghosting her for 2 weeks.

Don’t keep saying that you can “pay more” .. I’ve got more income than people I go away with, I never mention that I can afford “better” that the level they have chosen. I make a real effort to not come over as “lady bountiful” - maybe you do make it sound a bit “I’m considerably better off than you”

She tried several times to get in touch and build bridges .. you turned them all down, with a list of fairly weak excuses.

Look, you can do one of two things .. you can think “you know what, we couid both have done better, let’s learn and move on” or you can say “nope, it’s all gone to far, I’m done” .. it’s up to you.

You are not blameless in all this.

OP seems like a drama llama and constantly mentioning money and you can pay more is gross I agree. I have friends much wealthier than us who never do this and we don’t do it to people worse off than us. It’s not tactful.

purplecorkheart · 02/12/2025 14:57

Honestly, op you are coming across as very childish in all this and are making a big deal out of nothing. The birthday girl picked where she wanted to go. Honestly it would have been much better to just book it and some of you could have shared.

I can see why she was annoyed with you. Perhaps she could have worded what she said better but it does sound that you always want something bigger and can afford it. Maybe she does feel that you are rubbing her nose in it even if you don't mean to.

The whole crap about not answering phone, putting her on mute etc and crying is bonkers. Your friend sounds like she wants an adult conversation to clear the air and you are being a drama queen. You honestly need to grown up. You are behaving like preteen.

Llamallamafruitpyjama · 02/12/2025 14:58

Sartre · 02/12/2025 14:53

Like many others, I didn’t reach the end because it’s impossible to read without paragraphs. Guessing it was a formatting error on the app or something, I’ve seen it happen before.

I read about half. From what I gather you are wealthier than your friends, they are pretty comfortable but not as much as you. You found an expensive country pub to stay in but there were issues getting a room together so she looked elsewhere and found a more reasonably priced air BnB. You were going to book this in full and have them two repay you their share the following month when they were able to. You then vetoed the whole thing because it only has 2 bedrooms, even though it has a sofa bed too so I don’t get why you even mentioned it as an issue.

She’s upset because she could afford the air BnB although clearly not comfortably hence needing to wait to pay. She feels like you’re rubbing your wealth in her face.

The whole thing is a bit hyperbolic. The air BnB would have been fine. One in each room and one on the sofa bed.

God forbid fancy Nancy stay on a sofa bed to celebrate her friends birthday 😆 The comment she made about her new richer car is so bitchy.

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Anyahyacinth · 02/12/2025 14:59

The big thing that stands out to me is you ignored her when she was trying to sort it out.

That she’d researched the cottage and you rejected it but didn’t carve out time to find something better, with a weak excuse.

Sounds 50/50 to me, maybe it stings because she had a point about being mildly insensitive. If you can’t get over someone sharing how they feel it doesn’t sound a very deep friendship to worry about

TheGirlattheBack · 02/12/2025 14:59

I read 3/4’s and I think YABVU.

So your friend suggested a cottage break for her 40th - lovely - you and other friend overruled that with a pub stay. Birthday friend finds a nice cottage and you criticise it - not big enough.

blah blah blah. Holiday etc. Birthday friend contacts you after holiday to talk it through and sort it and you reply you’re too hurt and busy.

Talk to your friend! Apologise for the birthday plans say you’ll be more sensitive about finances in future. Your friend chose a cottage within her budget - don’ t be a dick about it.

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Balkancity · 02/12/2025 15:01

"mostly we just both tried to make the other one understand why we are hurt"

Maybe you both should have mostly tried to understand the other person in stead of trying to make them understand you.

TBH it all sounds like you are looking for an excuse to break with her, you've brushed her off when she reached out for reasons that sound pretty flaky TBH and you don't sound like much of a friend - it all sounds like too much effort for you. But then why such a dissertation on MN? You must have a strong validation need.

YABU

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/12/2025 15:02

So she got a bit snippy about how you can afford stuff she can’t.

When I’ve been in that position, it’s always best to be a bit self deprecating. Eg do an eye roll. I know my sleep is really shit so I’m going to pay the idiot tax for needing my own room… And fyi, I get what shit sleep is. Mine is dire and I wouldn’t share either. I’d drive the other person and myself insane.

As for the rest, it reads as if you’ve continued to punish her for having a brief moment for which she apologised. At that moment, it should have been done. And it wasn’t so maybe she really hit a nerve?

Always best to reflect and own it rather than crying, avoiding, saying cutting stuff and blaming the other person. Only you can turn this friendship around because you’re the one feeding the discord.

Catpiece · 02/12/2025 15:03

dailyconniptions · 02/12/2025 14:13

I started to read then gave up. Please use paragraphs. It's just way too much without. Sorry.

Me too. Just a block of words. Overwhelming and like wading through treacle.

zigazigaaaing · 02/12/2025 15:04

OP I did actually read your whole post. I have a few amazing female friendships of 20 years and am a similar age to you and for your own sake, please build bridges and make an effort with this friend to move past this. It’s just not worth the fall out at all. Apologise to her for making her feel that way and try to understand from her what was upsetting. you need to front in to this for the sake of this precious friendship. real female friendships are so hard to come by especially when you add in juggling families children jobs in to the mix so grab hold of this one.

Also as someone who regularly sorts out trips away air bnb for groups of friends. We are all on different budgets but I wouldn’t explicitly say I can afford a separate room although I know you were only doing this to be helpful and i’d explain this to your friend. perhaps in future jusf dial it down when it comes to discussing budget.

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YouBelongHere · 02/12/2025 15:08

Ngl I also gave up reading this to but I agree with @Smugzebra - she probably found somewhere she could afford and was what she wanted, all of you in one space rather than her sharing with one friend while you were in a different room.

Yes it only had two bedrooms but it sounds like it had enough beds for the three of you if the sofa was a pull-out. I would've been happy to sleep there, I did on my most recent holiday with my friends as the girl I normally room with has become a snorer 😴

honeylulu · 02/12/2025 15:09

Your friend hasn't displayed the best behaviour but you've been rather oblivious and inconsiderate, then made it worse with the blanking.

The way I read it:

Birthday friend wanted to go on a short trip to celebrate her birthday with you and third friend. Your original suggestion was that she and third friend share a twin room and you get a room to yourself "as I can afford it". That seems to have rankled with her as (a) its her birthday so it seems a bit off that you get the nicest accommodation (b) your reason was that you have more money than them, which is braggy. It would probably have gone down a lot better if you'd used your poor sleep issues as the reason.

So next she found a cottage that she liked. It only had two bedrooms which she may have missed (or maybe one or both were twin/double and she thought that would be OK). You drew attention to the fact it only had two bedrooms and she got upset. It isn't entirely clear why but I suspect she was still annoyed about your "I'm not sharing as I can afford my own room" comments. Or maybe she was annoyed and frustrated with herself because she found somewhere lovely and affordable but hadnt realised only 2 beds.

Hence her stropping about cancelling it all. Not her finest hour but she was probably feeling hard done by and a bit jealous that her birthday trip was still not locked in and now you were jetting off on a lovely non-birthday trip to enjoy.

Blanking and muting her was awful. I agree with the poster who said you should have said let's take a step back while I'm away, we'll take a breather, do a bit more research and look at more options once I'm back.

Your comment about the car was just plain nasty. Your friend clearly now wants to repair and save the friendship but you seem focused on how upset it made you. She was also upset!

I won't comment on the lack of paragraphs, I think other posters have said it enough times. But just wanted to point out, as you said it several times, that it's not "rubbing it under her nose". It's "rubbing her nose in it" i.e. the expression comes from the now unfavourable method of punishing a puppy for weeing on the floor. In other words, humiliating someone for their shortcomings.

Bumcake · 02/12/2025 15:10

Oh gosh, I’m not reading that text wall. I’ve had a quick skim, mostly what I saw was you saying you’re wealthy.

565OfftoanIsland · 02/12/2025 15:10

You're in the wrong. Whether you want to fix it or not, is up to you, but you made it 100 times worse by ghosting her for weeks.

And the thing about sleep is nonsense. Plenty of us go around with horrible sleep problems and while it very much affects our lives, you are making a mountain out of a molehill and throwing in sleep issues in your post so we feel sorry for you.

Everanewbie · 02/12/2025 15:10

That is about as impenetrable as a Salman Rushdie novel.

TheCurious0range · 02/12/2025 15:11

RitaFires · 02/12/2025 14:27

It sounds like you were a bit awkward about the accommodation and annoyed your friend but she wants to move past it and you don't. You ghosted her for close to two weeks and have made pointed comments since. Do you actually want to be friends?

Here's the Tldr

JoClogs · 02/12/2025 15:12

I selected YABU just on the basis of your loooooooooooooong post.
It's selfish to even consider sending it to random people and expecting them to read. You sound narcissistic to me.

Birlngsnotnicepeople · 02/12/2025 15:13

Can you pull back from this? Take a little break from the heightened emotion?
It sounds exhausting.

SL2924 · 02/12/2025 15:14

Small argument got a bit out of hand and then you’ve basically poured petrol on the fire and made it loads worse by ignoring her and throwing more in her face about your car etc. honestly I think you are more of the issue in the scenario. Sounds like your friend has tried quite hard to sort it out.

InlandTaipan · 02/12/2025 15:14

Your best friend of nearly 20 years and you ghosted her??!! You are - quite something. Still with all your wealth I guess you can just buy a new one.

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