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Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 01/12/2025 08:14

I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy.
i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

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angelos02 · 01/12/2025 09:56

I'm sure I read somewhere that only 2% of workers used to pay the higher rate of income tax whereas now it is 20%. It used to be very high earners that paid it, now it is people living very ordinary lives.

Didimum · 01/12/2025 09:57

i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

It will be the fault of the people who voted for them.

Starmer said that would make unpopular decisions and that life would feel difficult for a long while. I'm not sure why that wasn't taken at face value. I voted for Labour and I'm not unhappy with how things are going.

caringcarer · 01/12/2025 09:58

tripleginandtonic · 01/12/2025 08:36

I think he's doing ok. Workers rights are being pushed up the agenda again.Why is it his fault if Reform get in ?
Reform are making a right mess of the councils they're running, Farage barely does/did his role as a MP/ MEP.

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Nonsense Reform is running Staffordshire council and making a good job of it. Pot holes are being filled in at last.

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 09:58

Didimum · 01/12/2025 09:57

i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

It will be the fault of the people who voted for them.

Starmer said that would make unpopular decisions and that life would feel difficult for a long while. I'm not sure why that wasn't taken at face value. I voted for Labour and I'm not unhappy with how things are going.

Why did they talk about fully funded, fully costed at the GE?

NellieJean · 01/12/2025 10:00

Yes I voted Labour. No I don’t think things are going well. No I don’t think things would be any better under the Tories who would have had to make many of the same decisions. As for Reform if you think they are fit to run the country I can’t help you.

Alpacajigsaw · 01/12/2025 10:00

angelos02 · 01/12/2025 09:56

I'm sure I read somewhere that only 2% of workers used to pay the higher rate of income tax whereas now it is 20%. It used to be very high earners that paid it, now it is people living very ordinary lives.

Yes and a lot of them (including me) will have been doing so under the Tories. Or actually, I’m in Scotland so I’ve been paying higher rate tax for years when I would have been BR payer in England. This has not been an innovation of the labour government

angelos02 · 01/12/2025 10:00

'Fully costed' - do they mean taking more money out of earner's pockets? Rightio.

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 10:00

Alpacajigsaw · 01/12/2025 09:51

I think they are fine. It’s not even been 18 months, I’m not sure wtf people expected after 18 months of trying to fix 14 years of Tory shitshow.

People are so impatient these days and expect everything done yesterday. There are people whining for general elections already. They need to grow up and get a grip!

1/3 of hospitality are facing closure, worse than Covid for them. Why do you feel immune from Labour’s policies? Are you benefiting rather than looking at losing your job or livelihood?

StaringAtTheWater · 01/12/2025 10:01

Please don't vote Reform! This 'things can't get any worse, so we might as well try it' attitude is very foolhardy and dangerous! Things can always get much much worse!! So far Reform run councils are corrupt and incompetent, and there is a nasty racist undercurrent running through that party. I'm very worried that if they get into power, we'll see scenes similar to the US, with ICE agents illegally dragging innocent people off the streets!!

I didn't vote for them, and I don't disagree Labour so far have been thoroughly disappointing. It's all very frustrating. I believe Keir Starmer does actually know what is required is get the ecomony moving again (i.e. rejoining the single market, making house building easier, infrastructure projects like train lines between the major northern cities, reducing the benefits bills, making well off pensioners pay their own way) BUT for some reason he doesn't seem to have the bravery or political clout needed to get those changes put through. It all seems like such a wasted opportunity of a big majority!

Needingtoanewjob · 01/12/2025 10:02

tripleginandtonic · 01/12/2025 08:36

I think he's doing ok. Workers rights are being pushed up the agenda again.Why is it his fault if Reform get in ?
Reform are making a right mess of the councils they're running, Farage barely does/did his role as a MP/ MEP.

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You need to remember the staff of councils who do the work are all union people who prefer a labour boss.

67eleven · 01/12/2025 10:02

Every government makes promises to get in and then when they fail or they go back on their promises use the previous government as an excuse ad infinitum. Far easier to lay bleme than accept responsibility, I mean, its hardly a surprise what you're taking on.

Tammygirl12 · 01/12/2025 10:03

I voted labour and thoroughly wish I hadn’t now

LavenderBlue19 · 01/12/2025 10:05

I think they're doing ok. I voted Lib Dem but was happy Labour won, and I continue to be happy they're in charge and not the Tories.

The country was a mess - nothing worked, the NHS was sinking, Brexit was a huge mistake, Covid cost as much as a war, the Ukraine war has had a huge effect on the world economy. It felt like no-one was leading anymore, everything was just being left to rot - a legacy of Boris, and his careless attitude to life.

Labour are making good changes, but they desperately need to improve their communication/ PR/ media relationships, because everything is being filtered through an aggressively hostile right-leaning press. So instead of talking about how positive it is that renters can't be evicted for no reason, they talk about the problems of landlords. Instead of talking about raising children out of poverty, they frame it as benefit cheats sitting around doing nothing for taxpayers' money.

I think possibly Keir Starmer is too far removed from real, poor, desperate people to understand that they don't really care about doing the right thing, they just want their lives to improve. He doesn't come across well and unfortunately I think nowadays you do need someone with a bit of personality who can create media content which connects with people - Starmer would have been great pre-social media when he could have just given staid interviews and then vanished again. I do think he's a decent person but he needs vastly better PR or a personality transplant. Labour also very much needed to be absolutely squeaky clean with regards to freebies/taxes/house purchases etc, and they haven't been.

Anyone thinking Reform will improve things for anyone except the very rich is utterly mad. Reform will cut everything - public services will be fucked. They will make huge cuts, but they can't because everything is to the bone already, so it will just fuck everything. Look at how Reform councils are being run - it's a shitshow. Not to mention the increasing evidence of ties to Russia, dodgy dealings, allyship with Trump - no-one can possibly think they're decent people.

I hope Labour get either Wes Streeting or Andy Burnham in place well before the next election, and manage to turn the media conversation in their direction. I also hope Labour start being honest about how much we need to rejoin the single market and start the process of rejoining the EU, because without that we are utterly fucked.

browser2025 · 01/12/2025 10:05

StaringAtTheWater · 01/12/2025 10:01

Please don't vote Reform! This 'things can't get any worse, so we might as well try it' attitude is very foolhardy and dangerous! Things can always get much much worse!! So far Reform run councils are corrupt and incompetent, and there is a nasty racist undercurrent running through that party. I'm very worried that if they get into power, we'll see scenes similar to the US, with ICE agents illegally dragging innocent people off the streets!!

I didn't vote for them, and I don't disagree Labour so far have been thoroughly disappointing. It's all very frustrating. I believe Keir Starmer does actually know what is required is get the ecomony moving again (i.e. rejoining the single market, making house building easier, infrastructure projects like train lines between the major northern cities, reducing the benefits bills, making well off pensioners pay their own way) BUT for some reason he doesn't seem to have the bravery or political clout needed to get those changes put through. It all seems like such a wasted opportunity of a big majority!

It’s clear the man is deeply compromised. That’s the only way to explain his ludicrously weak, anti‑prosperity approach to leading Britain.

Julen7 · 01/12/2025 10:06

Didimum · 01/12/2025 09:57

i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

It will be the fault of the people who voted for them.

Starmer said that would make unpopular decisions and that life would feel difficult for a long while. I'm not sure why that wasn't taken at face value. I voted for Labour and I'm not unhappy with how things are going.

The majority are unhappy though. Chris Mason even said to Starmer on the BBC after the budget “you and this govt are so unpopular” and Starmer hardly flinched, he knows it.

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 10:07

Julen7 · 01/12/2025 10:06

The majority are unhappy though. Chris Mason even said to Starmer on the BBC after the budget “you and this govt are so unpopular” and Starmer hardly flinched, he knows it.

He predicted it right after the election.

MaltLoaf27 · 01/12/2025 10:08

"Genuinely happy" is probably a high bar for any party in government, but they're a massive improvement on what came before. Pleased about lifting benefit cap (600,000 kids out of poverty), breakfast clubs, minimum wage rises, more NHS appointments and more trade deals + apprenticeships. Don't like the rhetoric on immigration and some of the changes to asylum law. Country has been ground down by 15 years of austerity, Covid and impacte of war in Ukraine. We're poorer than Poland now and there's no magic wand to make things better. Happy to judge govt in the round on actual changes by end of this Parliament, rather than in comparison with imaginary utopias promised by populists (of left and right). Tories a total irrelevance at the moment too imho.

SnowFrogJelly · 01/12/2025 10:09

I think they’re doing ok in difficult circumstances, anyone who thinks Reform will do better needs to give their head a wobble

Julen7 · 01/12/2025 10:09

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 10:07

He predicted it right after the election.

He was right then.

PandoraSocks · 01/12/2025 10:11

angelos02 · 01/12/2025 09:47

I can't imagine that anyone that isn't on benefits is happy with the government. They just keep taxing at ever turn and those that pay in at high rates of tax get the same shit service as those that pay in naff all. It is utter madness.

So pensioners and people who receive child benefit and other benefit claimants will all be happy with Labour? That is a rather broad assumption.

There is a lot of support for Reform amongst people on benefits, which rather disproves your statement.

HRTQueen · 01/12/2025 10:11

I voted Labour and had high expectations for Starmer

They lack direction, the made easy choices at first and when they backed down there/changes direction was no apology. They are very disconnected from voters.

They are in a position to make some really radical changes in making this country more equal taxing extreme wealth to start with but they seem to scared to so this

they have very poor PR. Starmer has been very good at getting the party in order and pushing back the far left but he isn’t someone that connects with the public he is the one you want for negotiations but that isn’t enough to win elections

the announcements and then the leaks for the budget (again) was very poor

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 10:11

Julen7 · 01/12/2025 10:06

The majority are unhappy though. Chris Mason even said to Starmer on the BBC after the budget “you and this govt are so unpopular” and Starmer hardly flinched, he knows it.

The next local elections will be interesting. Votes are harder to ignore than polling.

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 10:13

I voted labour. I'm not thrilled with them. Was hoping for some more radical changes, not this divisive tinkering. We need decisive change from a moderate party if we want to keep the far right out and Starmer is not delivering. However, we need some stability so would prefer government as is to see through the term.

kenadams5 · 01/12/2025 10:14

I am.

Dgll · 01/12/2025 10:14

EINSEINSNULL · 01/12/2025 08:45

What did people expect, with the utter shitshow that was inherited by them?

I expected them to make it worse and so far they seem to be living up to my expectations.