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Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 01/12/2025 08:14

I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy.
i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

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KilliMonjaro · 02/12/2025 07:38

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 01/12/2025 08:35

Ive always been anti reform, but honestly starting my to think they deserve a chance. I’m actually so depressed by it all.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Notmyreality · 02/12/2025 07:40

ChocolatesAndRainbows · 01/12/2025 11:17

Don’t have child you can’t afford. My friend wants to live a certain lifestyle. Having one happy child she can afford enables that. It’s not rocket science. My tax money isn’t here to provide for kids ppl don’t need.

This

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 07:52

Kleeneze · 02/12/2025 05:17

I mean he’s antisemetic too but that’s just one of a number of the guy’s failings.

Is he? What evidence do you have? He may well, quite rightly, criticise the actions of the Israeli state but that is not antisemitism.

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 08:06

Notmyreality · 02/12/2025 07:40

This

So what is the solution. Ideally people would not have children they can’t afford but they do.
Should we have forced sterilisation or abortion or should we help feed the children and support the family out of poverty. I think more needs to be done to stop reliance on benefits but that we should not let children starve.

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 08:09

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 22:23

You’ve already been told, it was because he lost two elections.

I'm sticking with Starmer's reporting of the events.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 02/12/2025 08:11

ZenZazie · 01/12/2025 21:54

I think it’s ok and they are just about managing to keep the country moving forward without the wheels coming off totally. And given how fragile the country was after austerity, Brexit and Covid that is no small feat in itself.

The other things is that I am starting to be hopeful about the longer term. I see relatively small but joined up and thought through changes gradually happening rather than quick fixes that promise miracles which never materialise.

And honestly I think that is what we have needed for a long time. Gradual cumulative change amidst some relative stability. Realism about making things a bit better step by step rather being promised sunlit uplands that are just a ruse yo get people to act against their own best interests.

So I am starting to be curiously optimistic about how things will be in two or three years time.

genuine question, what are these changes as I’m not seeing them, and I feel I need some hope!

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Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 08:17

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 07:52

Is he? What evidence do you have? He may well, quite rightly, criticise the actions of the Israeli state but that is not antisemitism.

I'm happy to go with the Labour Parties own review on this one.

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 08:18

the report you posted re Starmer was about suspension not expulsion. You claimed Corbyn was expelled for antisemitism, which he was not. There is a difference btw suspension and expulsion. And in any event, Corbyn wasn’t suspended for antisemitism but for comments he made about a report into it which have since been proved to be true. It says that in the article you posted!
Any comments on Starmers treatment of Diane Abbott?

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 08:19

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 08:17

I'm happy to go with the Labour Parties own review on this one.

Go look it up and post the evidence

cucumberpeach · 02/12/2025 08:31

I voted Labour with very low expectations and yet they have managed to disappoint.

scalt · 02/12/2025 08:56

I’m still feeling the relief that it’s not conservatives or reform: an extremely low bar, I know, but Johnson was so awful, and Farage is the devil incarnate. I’ve no time for Cheshire Cat grinning politicians who promise miracles: give me boring, sensible and even gloomy any day. In general, I’ve distrusted all politicians since Tony Blair, but the ones who over-promise are always up to something, in my book.

I’m still giving Labour the benefit of the doubt, and I haven’t forgotten that they clamoured for lockdown, lockdown, and more lockdown. The Tory-owned press will never be on their side, no matter what they do, so I don’t form my opinion based on mainstream media. Because Johnson kept promising short-term results (“get Brexit done”, “normalish by Christmas”, “build back better”), people are expecting the same from Labour. Lots of people are moaning about the budget: while I resent paying tax at all, under the Tories, wealth kept moving up, and up, and up. Something in the opposite direction is overdue.

Yes, Starmer is a terrible communicator, and is not offering hope at all. But I think we need a period of “make politics boring again”, and being governed by someone who looks vaguely adult-like, unlike Johnson, Farage and Trump: that sort of clown-like politics is becoming dangerously normalised.

Yes, Farage is a worry, especially if Labour don’t mange the quick fixes everyone is hoping for. But it’s a good thing that there are a few Reform councillors in place: they are falling apart. We are getting the sneak preview. It’s not widely reported, because of the right wing press. But I have some hope that Reform may prove themselves totally unfit to govern, before a general election.

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 09:13

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 08:19

Go look it up and post the evidence

Sure I can google that for you. It is on the labour party website.

The Forde Report – The Labour Party

or the EHRC

Investigation into antisemitism in the Labour Party

But sure believe that Corbyn was expelled from the party because he lost the election if you want to. Parties don't normally expel their leaders.

The Forde Report – The Labour Party

The Forde Report is the culmination of an independent investigation commissioned by the Labour Party’s National Executive Committee (NEC) in 2020.

https://labour.org.uk/resources/the-forde-report/

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 09:19

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 09:13

Sure I can google that for you. It is on the labour party website.

The Forde Report – The Labour Party

or the EHRC

Investigation into antisemitism in the Labour Party

But sure believe that Corbyn was expelled from the party because he lost the election if you want to. Parties don't normally expel their leaders.

You were looking for evidence Corbyn was expelled for antisemitism or that he was antisemitic and have not posted evidence of either.

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 09:19

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 08:18

the report you posted re Starmer was about suspension not expulsion. You claimed Corbyn was expelled for antisemitism, which he was not. There is a difference btw suspension and expulsion. And in any event, Corbyn wasn’t suspended for antisemitism but for comments he made about a report into it which have since been proved to be true. It says that in the article you posted!
Any comments on Starmers treatment of Diane Abbott?

Edited

When you are in a hole stop digging. The EHRC found that the Leader of the Opposition acted unlawfully in the way he managed antisemitism in the party. I'm beginning to think you might agree with him.

Southernecho · 02/12/2025 09:30

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 09:19

When you are in a hole stop digging. The EHRC found that the Leader of the Opposition acted unlawfully in the way he managed antisemitism in the party. I'm beginning to think you might agree with him.

Starmer blocked Corbyn from standing as a Labour candidate but the reason he was expelled was because he said he would stand as an Independent.

You were incorrect with your original assertion, that he was expelled for his antisemitic views...... its you who need to stop digging and move on.

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 09:32

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 09:19

When you are in a hole stop digging. The EHRC found that the Leader of the Opposition acted unlawfully in the way he managed antisemitism in the party. I'm beginning to think you might agree with him.

So no evidence he was expelled for antisemitism then or that he was antisemetic. Be carful what you allege.

TopPocketFind · 02/12/2025 09:32

Corbyn was never PM

Johnson on the other hand......

Caught out lying over and over again but it was his appointment of a known sex pest that was a step too far.

Talking about standards.

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 10:07

TopPocketFind · 02/12/2025 09:32

Corbyn was never PM

Johnson on the other hand......

Caught out lying over and over again but it was his appointment of a known sex pest that was a step too far.

Talking about standards.

Both disasters I genuinely think the world would be a better place if Labour party had chosen the other Miliband...

TopPocketFind · 02/12/2025 10:12

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 10:07

Both disasters I genuinely think the world would be a better place if Labour party had chosen the other Miliband...

Both disasters but only one of them actually influenced the state of the UK economy

Southernecho · 02/12/2025 10:17

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 10:07

Both disasters I genuinely think the world would be a better place if Labour party had chosen the other Miliband...

oh it wouldn't have mattered, the press would still have turned on him and the discussion would now be "..if only Labour had chosen the other Miliband!"

When Corbyn was leader, the talk was all "If only Labour had elected Starmer" the press only really went for Corbyn after he almost upset the apple cart in 2017.

Now look? the moment he became PM or looked like he would be, the press went for him.... Donkeys/property developer/the Sir slurs/the son of a tool maker... online, he is accused of being gay, hiring rent boys, having a trans son & hating women, both which have appeared on here.

They ve done the same for many senior ministers, the latest now is Reeves and Lammy, before them, it was non stop about Rayner.

ZenZazie · 02/12/2025 15:08

Ok, so minimum wage has gone up and will go up again (and the lower rates for younger people are being phased out).

This means that people on minimum wage or near minimum wage, will be able to borrow more towards a mortgage.

Annual wage growth is now just about outpacing house price growth.

So add in the rent reforms that come in the affect soon, are going to mean both that people who rent have more rights,
with fewer rent increases and are also widely predicted to lead to some landlords selling up.

It’s not fixing the hugely broken housing market over night, but it is making things just a bit less tough for some people, There’s a cumulative effect there that will allow some people to get their heads above water, get some breathing space.

OmNomShiva · 02/12/2025 17:23

I think the hatred for Labour is driven by wealthy vested interests who own most of the regular media and social media, have vast capital available and want to ensure that inequality is maintained (“Conserved” perhaps), and seek to undermine our government in the interest of these oligarchs.

Some of that influence is domestic, but a lot of it is driven by oligarchs in both the US and Russia, paying their mouthpieces & political representatives in Britain.

Sadly it seems a large number of British people have been duped by this, and continue to be duped by this.

EasternStandard · 02/12/2025 17:37

OmNomShiva · 02/12/2025 17:23

I think the hatred for Labour is driven by wealthy vested interests who own most of the regular media and social media, have vast capital available and want to ensure that inequality is maintained (“Conserved” perhaps), and seek to undermine our government in the interest of these oligarchs.

Some of that influence is domestic, but a lot of it is driven by oligarchs in both the US and Russia, paying their mouthpieces & political representatives in Britain.

Sadly it seems a large number of British people have been duped by this, and continue to be duped by this.

Do you know many people with small businesses?

OmNomShiva · 02/12/2025 17:38

EasternStandard · 02/12/2025 17:37

Do you know many people with small businesses?

Loads, I run one myself.

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