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To think my mum has fallen down a conspiracy rabbit hole and I can't get her out

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Coffeesoon · 25/11/2025 17:54

My mum has just sent me a video of Ant Middleton explaining how in 2027 the migrants / boat people who are seeking asylum and have already been made legal, will kick off and attack us all.
He says there will be a civil war, he knows because of army contacts and that we need to prepare.
What am I suppose to say to that?
She fully believes that an army is being formed and is constantly telling me or sending me videos about it.
I love my mum but since covid, which she thought wasn't real, she has been thinking the government is out to get us. We live in an area of increased immigrants and she absolutely hates them.
I've tried to talk to her but shes adamant and its really getting me down.

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Skippydoodle · 25/11/2025 21:47

I don’t think I’ve ever seen so may deleted comments on a post….. I wonder why? I think I have an inkling.

PoppyRoseBucky · 25/11/2025 21:50

Blizzardofleaves · 25/11/2025 21:34

Really? That is worrying. It sounds an awful lot like fear to me, on your part, and choosing not to listen. Fingers firmly in ears, insults at the ready.

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Sadly, it's the typical response that I've come to expect.

Many would much rather pretend that everything is just fine and dandy in the Shire, and insult the Hobbits that are pointing out that all is not well.

They're the kind of people who will see everything burning down around them, passively shrug their shoulders and say, "Everything's great, little warm, but great," provided their house isn't on fire.

ChachaIntheLongrun · 25/11/2025 21:51

PoppyRoseBucky · 25/11/2025 20:22

It's no more bollocks than claiming that these men on their dinghies are asylum seekers, desperately seeking refuge from war and persecution. Or, that the boats are filled with women and children.

When all the evidence proves they're not.

They're filled with fighting age men, aged around 18-24 on average. Some have admitted to having a military background in the countries they have come from, including Afghanistan.

One had posted, when in another country, Snapchats of him surrounded by high-grade weapons. There's been talk that Jihadist camps have been emptying their men onto these boats and sending them to the UK. Some people have been told that some members of the Taliban have hopped aboard a dinghy and made the crossing!

Many of the men do not come from war-torn countries. 700 of them come from Albania-a country that is in the EU and ECHR, and not at war. Pakistan is also a common country of origin for these men. They're not doctors, engineers or scientists crossing the Channel, dropping their documents into the water, are they or do you all think they are?

In areas where these men, and it is primarily men, are housed, there's countless reports of women and children being harassed, followed and even raped by these men. Sure, it's not all of them, but many come from the worst parts of the world where women's rights simply don't exist, especially Western, white women's rights.

Where child marriage is legal and normal. We've had Pakistani men who have crossed the Channel, arranging to meet 14 year olds to rape them and when caught by the parents/community-have been filmed on camera saying, "Oh, I didn't know it was illegal here!"

An Afghan national has just admitted raping a 12 year old. An 8 year old was recently raped by a migrant in Lambeth. A woman was dragged into bushes and raped. Another woman, in Brighton or Bristol, I believe, was dragged onto a beach by three migrants and raped.

I'm not saying they're building an army-but we have no way of knowing who they are or what they really want. They are being placed with limited to no supervision in the heart of our communities without our say so on even consulting us-many times near schools or children's parks.

It all might seem a great big conspiracy theory-and it probably is. The majority of the men are just chancers who know that they're going to get a free ride here-and like the fools we are-we do it.

But how many women and children need to be harassed, followed and raped by these men before any of you give a damn? We know people have also been murdered by them, including Wayne Broadhurst and Rhiannon-Skye White. How many, in your eyes, is too many?

And before you all rush to slam me with "the majority of crime is committed by white men!" Yes, no shit, Sherlock. In a predominantly white country, most of the crime statistics will be filled with white men. "Or white people rape and murder people, too!"

Again, no shit, Sherlock. We have homegrown criminals. Every country does-and we deal with them. What you don't do is import yet more of them. That's like telling someone who has stomach cancer that they're going to implant a tumour in their brain because what's another tumour when they've already got one?

We're allowing men from the most violent parts of the world to come into country, putting them up in hotels and HMO's with minimal supervision and paying through the nose for them and some of them are repaying us by raping our women and children and in some cases, murdering us.

But sure, you all stick your heads in the sand and pretend everything is hunky-dory. Nothing to see here. And use your usual insults whilst you're at it-"racist! far right! fascist!"

Guess what? Most people don't care about being called that anymore. It doesn't work. Call us all gammons, too, whilst you're at it, but maybe, just maybe, instead of convincing yourself that this is all fear-mongering nonsense, you should wake up.

It's not just happening here, either. Look at Ireland. France. Italy. Germany. All over Europe. A twenty-year old Italian girl was raped by three African migrants whilst her boyfriend was forced to watch. That was just recently.

There's been many more instances. England is now the rape capital of Europe, overtaking Sweden. You know-Sweden. A place that was once considered one of the safest, happiest places in Europe. Yeah, that now has no-go zones. So what happened? Did the Swedish men suddenly turn extremely violent and rapey?

But now England has took the crown for being the rape capital of Europe. Bravo, well done us. I can't think what could have happened.

this with loudspeakers

Cantdothingsanymore · 25/11/2025 21:52

I think some of these views are born in aspects of truth. And people are entitled to their views. I am close to some quite far right and quite far left people and I am always a fence sitter. I do admire their convictions.
I also think that there are quite a lot of senior figures, who are reputable who are very concerned with the current situations. We have been told to prepare for readiness for war. With whom and where, I am not sure they have said exactly.
But people are speculating and scared. And some people are fully prepping.
I wonder if the people of europe thought it would all blow over and was a load of nonsense just before the second world war broke out. Did the Jews of Germany ever imagine what was to happen to them, could actually ever happen? Did anyone living in London before the war ever imagine that their children would have to be evacuated and sent to live with complete strangers? If someone before it happened, told them that was going to happen, would they have believed it?
I am trying to keep an open mind on it all. Maybe there is some truth in what people are saying, maybe there isn't but there is no point falling out with your family and friends over it.

Alwaytired44 · 25/11/2025 21:53

LifeSurvior · 25/11/2025 18:26

Having an opinion that illegal immigration might not be beneficial for the country and actually questioning the influx of small boats and the growing illegal money making industry that comes off the back of them is not racist.
It's actually a bit thick to reply in such a way without thinking about any nuance around the subject.
Shouting racist at any and all opinions that differ from your own narrow veiwpoint is actually very lazy and actually dilutes the word itself and its true meaning and the insult/shutdown that you meant it as.

Are you secretly OP’s mum??

Fairgamer · 25/11/2025 21:54

Staringintothevoid616 · 25/11/2025 21:23

Maybe she’s just experienced and thinks - oh I was full of it when I was young, DD will grow out of it!

Or more likely she is uninformed, racist and mentally ill.

hihelenhi · 25/11/2025 21:54

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You may well be right on some points here, but you appear not to realise that this and your other missives are NOT in any way adult or intelligent ways of responding. Your deeply patronising attitude here is a common feature and huge part of the problem the (so called, imo) "left" is experiencing at the moment.

For god's sake, get off your arrogant, self congratulatory high horse and try harder to act like an intelligent grown up who listens to others and the issues they say they are seeing and facing, not a silly patronising student twat who thinks everyone else and anything outside their bubble is beneath them. Try MUCH harder. Or you can expect the likes of Farage in government in the near future. Yes, they will be a total shitshow given all the evidence from their councils so far, but I'd rather an intelligent opposition that addresses the issues that people say they are having than people making silly sneering "sigh" comments like yours. It is supposed "liberal lefties" like you who, in their self absorption and failure to intelligently address real issues that were bothering people, ensured Trump got in over the pond. Do you actually want that? If not, I suggest a little self reflection on YOUR part regarding your behaviour and attitudes to others in society. You are not actually displaying superior intelligence or any evidence here. You do realise that, yes?

ChachaIntheLongrun · 25/11/2025 21:56

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MyLimeGuide · 25/11/2025 21:59

HoskinsChoice · 25/11/2025 18:45

These are not 'alternative views'. It is dangerous, toxic and totally and utterly ridiculous. This is the problem, people that fall for conspiracy theories see it as an 'alternative view' instead of the vile, mental health impacting, money grabbing bilge that it is.

What a total exaggeration!

Blizzardofleaves · 25/11/2025 22:01

PoppyRoseBucky · 25/11/2025 21:50

Sadly, it's the typical response that I've come to expect.

Many would much rather pretend that everything is just fine and dandy in the Shire, and insult the Hobbits that are pointing out that all is not well.

They're the kind of people who will see everything burning down around them, passively shrug their shoulders and say, "Everything's great, little warm, but great," provided their house isn't on fire.

Yes, denial and distortion of the actual facts. Mixed in with a healthy dose of woke philosophy. We have had op calling her mother ‘mental’ already, we can expect, tin hat, racist and far right thug any minute now.- all very predictable.

They are literally rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic. It’s pitiful the lack of awareness.

ChachaIntheLongrun · 25/11/2025 22:01

as someone said up there. Ok, we already heard on at least 100 threads you are not racist. So be it. What else do you want to say about it?

Happyjoe · 25/11/2025 22:02

hihelenhi · 25/11/2025 21:54

You may well be right on some points here, but you appear not to realise that this and your other missives are NOT in any way adult or intelligent ways of responding. Your deeply patronising attitude here is a common feature and huge part of the problem the (so called, imo) "left" is experiencing at the moment.

For god's sake, get off your arrogant, self congratulatory high horse and try harder to act like an intelligent grown up who listens to others and the issues they say they are seeing and facing, not a silly patronising student twat who thinks everyone else and anything outside their bubble is beneath them. Try MUCH harder. Or you can expect the likes of Farage in government in the near future. Yes, they will be a total shitshow given all the evidence from their councils so far, but I'd rather an intelligent opposition that addresses the issues that people say they are having than people making silly sneering "sigh" comments like yours. It is supposed "liberal lefties" like you who, in their self absorption and failure to intelligently address real issues that were bothering people, ensured Trump got in over the pond. Do you actually want that? If not, I suggest a little self reflection on YOUR part regarding your behaviour and attitudes to others in society. You are not actually displaying superior intelligence or any evidence here. You do realise that, yes?

Forgive me for butting in.

Experience here and other places has shown over and over again that the views are deeply entrenched that truth or facts do not play a part and they will never never be listened to so there is no reasoned debate. They wish to live in an echo chamber, instead shouting 'LEFTIE' whenever someone tries to reason with.. well, truth!

See, same can be said for both sides of the 'argument'.

Charlize43 · 25/11/2025 22:04

PoppyRoseBucky · 25/11/2025 20:22

It's no more bollocks than claiming that these men on their dinghies are asylum seekers, desperately seeking refuge from war and persecution. Or, that the boats are filled with women and children.

When all the evidence proves they're not.

They're filled with fighting age men, aged around 18-24 on average. Some have admitted to having a military background in the countries they have come from, including Afghanistan.

One had posted, when in another country, Snapchats of him surrounded by high-grade weapons. There's been talk that Jihadist camps have been emptying their men onto these boats and sending them to the UK. Some people have been told that some members of the Taliban have hopped aboard a dinghy and made the crossing!

Many of the men do not come from war-torn countries. 700 of them come from Albania-a country that is in the EU and ECHR, and not at war. Pakistan is also a common country of origin for these men. They're not doctors, engineers or scientists crossing the Channel, dropping their documents into the water, are they or do you all think they are?

In areas where these men, and it is primarily men, are housed, there's countless reports of women and children being harassed, followed and even raped by these men. Sure, it's not all of them, but many come from the worst parts of the world where women's rights simply don't exist, especially Western, white women's rights.

Where child marriage is legal and normal. We've had Pakistani men who have crossed the Channel, arranging to meet 14 year olds to rape them and when caught by the parents/community-have been filmed on camera saying, "Oh, I didn't know it was illegal here!"

An Afghan national has just admitted raping a 12 year old. An 8 year old was recently raped by a migrant in Lambeth. A woman was dragged into bushes and raped. Another woman, in Brighton or Bristol, I believe, was dragged onto a beach by three migrants and raped.

I'm not saying they're building an army-but we have no way of knowing who they are or what they really want. They are being placed with limited to no supervision in the heart of our communities without our say so on even consulting us-many times near schools or children's parks.

It all might seem a great big conspiracy theory-and it probably is. The majority of the men are just chancers who know that they're going to get a free ride here-and like the fools we are-we do it.

But how many women and children need to be harassed, followed and raped by these men before any of you give a damn? We know people have also been murdered by them, including Wayne Broadhurst and Rhiannon-Skye White. How many, in your eyes, is too many?

And before you all rush to slam me with "the majority of crime is committed by white men!" Yes, no shit, Sherlock. In a predominantly white country, most of the crime statistics will be filled with white men. "Or white people rape and murder people, too!"

Again, no shit, Sherlock. We have homegrown criminals. Every country does-and we deal with them. What you don't do is import yet more of them. That's like telling someone who has stomach cancer that they're going to implant a tumour in their brain because what's another tumour when they've already got one?

We're allowing men from the most violent parts of the world to come into country, putting them up in hotels and HMO's with minimal supervision and paying through the nose for them and some of them are repaying us by raping our women and children and in some cases, murdering us.

But sure, you all stick your heads in the sand and pretend everything is hunky-dory. Nothing to see here. And use your usual insults whilst you're at it-"racist! far right! fascist!"

Guess what? Most people don't care about being called that anymore. It doesn't work. Call us all gammons, too, whilst you're at it, but maybe, just maybe, instead of convincing yourself that this is all fear-mongering nonsense, you should wake up.

It's not just happening here, either. Look at Ireland. France. Italy. Germany. All over Europe. A twenty-year old Italian girl was raped by three African migrants whilst her boyfriend was forced to watch. That was just recently.

There's been many more instances. England is now the rape capital of Europe, overtaking Sweden. You know-Sweden. A place that was once considered one of the safest, happiest places in Europe. Yeah, that now has no-go zones. So what happened? Did the Swedish men suddenly turn extremely violent and rapey?

But now England has took the crown for being the rape capital of Europe. Bravo, well done us. I can't think what could have happened.

According to my Lebanese work colleague, a lot of these muslim immigrants view white western women as whores (loose morals) just by the way they are uncovered and behave, which is why there has been an increase in rapes in areas where they are housed. It's more of a cultural / religious perception.

She mentioned a case that occurred in Hyde Park where a women had been returning home after work drinks when she was dragged off and raped. It wasn't 2.00am or anything but 9pm which is shocking as Hyde Park and that area would have been relatively lively, certainly not empty.

MyLimeGuide · 25/11/2025 22:06

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/11/2025 19:42

No, I believe the recommendation is OP threatens to cut her mum out of her life for spewing ignorant, baseless, racist shite.

I assume you are perfectly comfortable keeping the company of racists.

Yes of course. I have racist only policy in my life 😂😫

Supersimkin7 · 25/11/2025 22:07

All good lies have 5 percent truth. Small boats are social harm - but not WW3.

Counting to 10 before you respond by ‘discussing’ family views is very calming.

Sofasu · 25/11/2025 22:08

PurpleSkies2026 · 25/11/2025 19:50

Tell her to cancel her Daily Telegraph subscription. DM is like this and I popped round and spent five minutes reading her paper online. Fuck me I've never been so depressed.

I got her to access Press Reader Which is free through the local library and has access to all the newspapers along with literally every magazine. Is that an option? The idea was to broaden her reading material. She got it then said preferred the 'view' on the DT subscription so wouldn't be cancelling, dammit, but said she can now read other papers so was pleases about that.

I do agree its the algorithm, DF has stopped watching and reading news as much and is much happier.

I'm quite firm with DM to stop filling my head with it too. I have a job in a compassionate industry so I just want to think nice things outside work. I change the subject, say I'm tired, say we're not talking about politics today.

I often read the DT and I don't recognise anything like this. It's generally a right of centre perspective but not entirely and there's some good quality journalism. Certainly not bonkers conspiracy theories. They are the stuff of Facebook and the algorithms on there will pick up the slightest whiff of interest in a subject and bombard you with it.

Blizzardofleaves · 25/11/2025 22:08

Coffeesoon · 25/11/2025 19:47

Yes!! Exactly the same, chemtrails, vaccines.
It's really difficult isn't it. I just have very basic conversations, small talk about nothing really. It's really quite sad isn't it.

Or alternatively, you could ask questions. How has this impacted her? What’s happened to her quality of life? Hell you could even take her somewhere fun - invigorating and exciting. What a shame you have given up on having meaningful relationships, even if you might differ. You sound frightfully rigid op, unable to see anything outside your own limited perspective.

Thoseslippers · 25/11/2025 22:11

I'm sorry you are going through this.
Have similar problems with my MIL. Despite her living in a predominantly white area and hardly ever coming into contact with anyone who isn't white, apparently the country is 'overrun' buy aggressive none white people who want to kill us all!
Meanwhile my DH and I work for the NHS which would collapse entirely if everyone who wasn't white got kicked out of the UK.
What makes it worse is MIL has lived off benefits since my DH was a child. Yet she will sit there and complain about the burden of immigration. Absolutely batshit.

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 25/11/2025 22:13

As someone whose parents were brought up in the communist era and escaped, I’m saddened that people think these views are mental health related. Very narrow minded to think that. There’s a whole entire world out there with many opinions and view points and there’s no ‘one opinion fits all’.

Woodchiponthewall · 25/11/2025 22:16

I am catching up with the thread so apologies if it has moved on by now. Everything you have said PoppyRose, everything, has been said to me by my OH as he slides further down into this kind of thinking. All your examples about men on boats, rape, civil war etc etc.. Almost word for word. Your defiant ‘call us what we want because we don’t care anymore’ he parrots back at me. He calls me brainwashed if I offer any kind of debate. He is, like you I suspect, educated and thinks he’s pretty clever. I’m not trying to be a dick but it has been pretty horrifying to watch. Can I just ask you about that? As someone who prides themselves on critical thinking, don’t you find it jarring that all your examples, wording, ‘enlightened’ views are the same? He won’t engage properly with the idea that for that to happen there must be some dark propaganda at work. Can you talk about it?

Birthdaysocks · 25/11/2025 22:16

Would you be happier if the boats were chockers with women and children, and instead, the men were staying behind and sending their wives and kids on what is an inherently dangerous journey, the like of which very, very few people in the UK would even contemplate, let alone embark upon?

This claim is ludicrous. Travelling around Europe is inherently dangerous? Really? Is everyone in Europe going to work and on holiday at risk? Is driving from Greece to Calais so dangerous no English person would ever contemplate it?

This sort of hysterical overwrought drama is presented as sane facts by the left.

These men get transported in vans by smugglers, who are unlikely to murder their paying customers.

Migrants are picked off boats more or less immediately they get in the water, the number drowning annually is far less than the number of English women raped and murdered by those ferried in successfully.

The left have spent ten years telling us men are women, their credibility is no better than the people they hate.

One thing that's hard to deny is that mass immigration has led to the English hating each other.

Blizzardofleaves · 25/11/2025 22:18

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 25/11/2025 22:13

As someone whose parents were brought up in the communist era and escaped, I’m saddened that people think these views are mental health related. Very narrow minded to think that. There’s a whole entire world out there with many opinions and view points and there’s no ‘one opinion fits all’.

It is sad, they don’t seek to recognise they sre very myopic.

wrongthinker · 25/11/2025 22:18

Happyjoe · 25/11/2025 22:02

Forgive me for butting in.

Experience here and other places has shown over and over again that the views are deeply entrenched that truth or facts do not play a part and they will never never be listened to so there is no reasoned debate. They wish to live in an echo chamber, instead shouting 'LEFTIE' whenever someone tries to reason with.. well, truth!

See, same can be said for both sides of the 'argument'.

Sorry, but someone left a long, carefully constructed and well-reasoned argument on here, and your response was, and I quote, 'sigh'.

What is a long, carefully constructed, and well-reasoned argument if not an invitation to debate? You could have taken up one or two points that you felt qualified to discuss, and got into a useful discussion.

Instead, your contribution to this thread has been to 'sigh'. On the rare occasion when you can trouble yourself to generate an entire sentence, it is simply to say that you don't have anything to say.

Maybe you need to think about how your 'side' comes across here. It's not looking good. You really seem to rely on the idea that you're right, so you don't even need to bother engaging with the arguments. But you really do need to start learning how to engage in debate, unless you want to lose any influence on the way things are going. People are not satisfied any more with simply being told they're wrong and stupid. You're going to have to learn to defend your ideas.

NeedingASafeSpace · 25/11/2025 22:19

You’re mum is100000% correct and is very much woken while a lot of people are still sleeping. Believe your mother. Mothers know best

Blizzardofleaves · 25/11/2025 22:21

I am not remotely interested in conspiracy theorists but I am very willing to expand my world view, listen to all sides including their views, and weigh up the facts. Consider the impossible even. I find it startling how limited and fearful intellectually some people can be.

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