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Has Reeves hit a new low- saying it's misogyny?

294 replies

Christmaspuddingsss · 25/11/2025 07:59

I couldn't believe I was reading this today.

She accuses her critics of being against her budget plans because she is a woman. (But ignores the number of U turns she's done because of the criticism from back benchers)

Using the 'misogyny' card is really desperate IMO.

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Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 14:12

peanutbuttertoasty · 25/11/2025 14:02

‘Wasn’t that bad’… is that the benchmark for a ‘great’ politician? How depressing.

It was Grossly exaggerated and spun out of proportion, a complete witch hunt most likely caused by reeves leaking Rayners private business.
I mean why was the photo of her on a float in the sea vaping front page of the news for a week straight? And when she said “scum” in parliament? Big stinking deal they all sit around yelling and insulting each other in parliament. Scum is very tame

Differentforgirls · 25/11/2025 14:15

hazelnutvanillalatte · 25/11/2025 13:27

For the length of his sentence? Did you not hear about this major news story?

A Daily Express reader opines. It was 24 hours in isolation in cortonvale for the SPS to decide where to place them as per the UK Equality Act. They were moved the next morning to a men’s prison where they remain. Nicola Sturgeon had no part in any of the decisions as she doesn’t work for the Scottish Prison Service.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 25/11/2025 14:43

Differentforgirls · 25/11/2025 14:15

A Daily Express reader opines. It was 24 hours in isolation in cortonvale for the SPS to decide where to place them as per the UK Equality Act. They were moved the next morning to a men’s prison where they remain. Nicola Sturgeon had no part in any of the decisions as she doesn’t work for the Scottish Prison Service.

The particular prisoner actually raised the issue of housing male prisoners, esp those with sexual offences, in the female estate. For the length of their sentences. Which Sturgeon supported.

But I love your 'supporting vulnerable women's rights makes you thick' jibe. So much empathy and enlightenment!

Differentforgirls · 25/11/2025 14:51

hazelnutvanillalatte · 25/11/2025 14:43

The particular prisoner actually raised the issue of housing male prisoners, esp those with sexual offences, in the female estate. For the length of their sentences. Which Sturgeon supported.

But I love your 'supporting vulnerable women's rights makes you thick' jibe. So much empathy and enlightenment!

The whole point is that they weren't "housed"!

Differentforgirls · 25/11/2025 14:52

hazelnutvanillalatte · 25/11/2025 14:43

The particular prisoner actually raised the issue of housing male prisoners, esp those with sexual offences, in the female estate. For the length of their sentences. Which Sturgeon supported.

But I love your 'supporting vulnerable women's rights makes you thick' jibe. So much empathy and enlightenment!

Have you ever spoken to a scottish woman who has been in prison?

ACynicalDad · 25/11/2025 14:54

There is some misogyny, but she’s done fashion shoots which I doubt any male chancellor has done, or Maggie for that matter. Can’t fully say treat me like you do the booked when you bring femininity into the role yourself.

senua · 25/11/2025 14:57

Scum is very tame
It is an appalling thing to say.Shock

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:00

senua · 25/11/2025 14:57

Scum is very tame
It is an appalling thing to say.Shock

Are you being sarcastic?

senua · 25/11/2025 15:04

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:00

Are you being sarcastic?

Er, no. Are you?
Do you go round calling people 'scum'?

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:10

senua · 25/11/2025 15:04

Er, no. Are you?
Do you go round calling people 'scum'?

No but parliament is full of mps jeering and shouting at each other. “Scum” is hardly unusual

didnt boris Johnson say children of teen mums are aggressive bastards and she was responding to him seeing as she was a teen mum?

I think that’s much ruder than “scum” which is pretty vague and meaningless really

EasternStandard · 25/11/2025 15:17

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:10

No but parliament is full of mps jeering and shouting at each other. “Scum” is hardly unusual

didnt boris Johnson say children of teen mums are aggressive bastards and she was responding to him seeing as she was a teen mum?

I think that’s much ruder than “scum” which is pretty vague and meaningless really

If another politician had called Rayner it would you say the same?

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:21

EasternStandard · 25/11/2025 15:17

If another politician had called Rayner it would you say the same?

Yes I would “scum” is hardly that bad considering mps yell and screech at each other every day in parliament. What boris Johnson said about aggressive illegitimate bastards is obviously far ruder. And she was just responding to that or should she just have let such a nasty comment stand about her son?

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 15:23

Calling people scum is unbecoming. I met a Tory backbencher who is very close friends with a Labour backbencher. Angela Rayner was at the Labour backbencher's birthday party and asked him "oh god. Why did you invite the Tory MPs?"

She's deeply unpleasant.

senua · 25/11/2025 15:24

didnt boris Johnson say children of teen mums are aggressive bastards and she was responding to him seeing as she was a teen mum?
I've no idea about the BJ quote. I only know what Rayner said.
It was silly of her to use such intemperate language because, as ever, it's always the retaliation that people remember. And it doesn't exactly make her look good - she should listen to the 'when they go low, we go high' mantra.
I believe she was made to apologise for it.

senua · 25/11/2025 15:25

Yes I would “scum” is hardly that bad
A word to the wise; it is that bad. Don't use it.

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:25

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 15:23

Calling people scum is unbecoming. I met a Tory backbencher who is very close friends with a Labour backbencher. Angela Rayner was at the Labour backbencher's birthday party and asked him "oh god. Why did you invite the Tory MPs?"

She's deeply unpleasant.

Calling her son an aggressive illegitimate badtard is very unbecoming. She obviously just made it political after boris Johnson’s (a Tory mp) rude comment

I dont vote labour but can’t say I blame her

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:28

senua · 25/11/2025 15:24

didnt boris Johnson say children of teen mums are aggressive bastards and she was responding to him seeing as she was a teen mum?
I've no idea about the BJ quote. I only know what Rayner said.
It was silly of her to use such intemperate language because, as ever, it's always the retaliation that people remember. And it doesn't exactly make her look good - she should listen to the 'when they go low, we go high' mantra.
I believe she was made to apologise for it.

Oh and I just google it and found there’s more!

“It must be generally plausible that if having a baby out of wedlock meant sure-fire destitution on a Victorian scale, young girls might indeed think twice about having a baby.
And yet no government – and certainly no Labour government – will have the courage to make the cuts in the safety net of the viciousness required to provide anything like such a deterrent. For the reality, surely, is that nine times out of 10 these girls will go on having babies out of wedlock not because they want to qualify for some state hand-out, but because, in their monotonous and depressing lives, they want a little creature to love.”

but sure “scum” is a big deal

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 15:34

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:28

Oh and I just google it and found there’s more!

“It must be generally plausible that if having a baby out of wedlock meant sure-fire destitution on a Victorian scale, young girls might indeed think twice about having a baby.
And yet no government – and certainly no Labour government – will have the courage to make the cuts in the safety net of the viciousness required to provide anything like such a deterrent. For the reality, surely, is that nine times out of 10 these girls will go on having babies out of wedlock not because they want to qualify for some state hand-out, but because, in their monotonous and depressing lives, they want a little creature to love.”

but sure “scum” is a big deal

Not the language to be used by the shadow cabinet against the government.

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:42

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 15:34

Not the language to be used by the shadow cabinet against the government.

Have you ever watched parliament debates? They ALL sit around insulting and yelling at each other

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 15:45

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:42

Have you ever watched parliament debates? They ALL sit around insulting and yelling at each other

Yes but there's a line. When Dennis Skinner called Cameron "dodgy" he got suspended from the day's sitting.

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 16:41

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 15:45

Yes but there's a line. When Dennis Skinner called Cameron "dodgy" he got suspended from the day's sitting.

I guess she wasn’t happy he called her son a bastard and a creature and said her earlier life was a monotonous and depressing.
scum is hardly a swear word

Goldenbear · 25/11/2025 16:45

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 15:28

Oh and I just google it and found there’s more!

“It must be generally plausible that if having a baby out of wedlock meant sure-fire destitution on a Victorian scale, young girls might indeed think twice about having a baby.
And yet no government – and certainly no Labour government – will have the courage to make the cuts in the safety net of the viciousness required to provide anything like such a deterrent. For the reality, surely, is that nine times out of 10 these girls will go on having babies out of wedlock not because they want to qualify for some state hand-out, but because, in their monotonous and depressing lives, they want a little creature to love.”

but sure “scum” is a big deal

My goodness, was he sent from 1884!

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 16:45

Tkmaxxx · 25/11/2025 16:41

I guess she wasn’t happy he called her son a bastard and a creature and said her earlier life was a monotonous and depressing.
scum is hardly a swear word

Wasn't this years before he even entered politics? She labelled the entire party scum, not just Boris.

Southernecho · 25/11/2025 18:32

Frenchues · 25/11/2025 14:09

COVID and lockdown happened

The Tories still took national debt to 87% by 2020, before Covid & raised taxes at the same time.

They also destroyed all of our public services.

Its funny that when Labour have come out with excuses as to why taxes have to increase, its a constant stream of "But they said in their manifesto blah blah blah"

Tories do it and its excused away.

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