To think all schools should teach children the old traditional hymns

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Just switching between channels and Songs of Praise came on. It was a run down of the most popular school hymns.complete with recorders It brought back many memories and how important communal singing is. It doesn’t matter what your religion is, everyone should know the most popular hymns as a way of uniting society.

Which poster?

You doubt the validity of a BBC article because of perceived bias?

Which sources do you trust?

And are Tommy Robinson and co the example of Christans you are promoting?

Cool. The indignant reply I expected. And yes, indignant, because it's now at " how dare you accuse me of lying" stage. I did not accuse you of lying.

My post was about trying to understand where you are coming from. Simple as that.

From your post above: "What your issue is, is that you have a standard argument that only works if I’m Christian. "

Yeah, that's not how debate works, as well you know.

Unless you truly do belief " the atheist mob" and " " the lefties" really are produced by some shadowy Soros funded training program. Although there are plenty of Fox annd GB news viewers who belief that, that's for sure.

To answer this question you ask: " Can you not conceive of someone recognising the importance of a religion in the culture of a people and the importance of a society having a culture to make it cohesive? All without agreeing with the theology"

Yes and no. For example, when I went to Egypt with a study tour, the religion and culture on ancient Egypt was a major part, but the cohesion of our study group did not depend on everyone understanding those things.

Understanding a specific bit of history is not a pre-requisite for cohesion in a group.

And now after all this, on page 38 or so we get a reason for all this from the OP.

The OP helps organise Remembrance day events, and prints the Hymn sheets.

Is that what this is all about OP. Are you fed up with singers mumbling away at your services, and you want the full weight of State education to swing into action, to make sure people can sing them ?

I have an idea. Can't you just organise a few practice sessions beforehand ?

Or send youtube links of the hymns to the attendees before. These are the Hymns, would be good if you could be familiar with them.

Would that not be easier than having compulsory hymns for all in school ?

Could you not have mentioned in your very first post OP, that you print out song sheets ?

It has gone a little bit that way, started off with a perfectly simple question based on Sunday afternoon TV and posters kept responding like I’d suggested slaughtering puppies in the biology lesson. Utter Batshit as you say

The perfectly simple reply to your question was why only Christian hymns

Well, you basically live in one, assuming you live in the UK. Our laws are based on Christian values and norms.

i don’t think anyone is saying you can’t disagree, have a private faith etc. But to live in the UK means you’re living somewhere Christianity is embedded in everyday life. Being able to have a deep understanding of Christianity enables you to participate more fully in every aspect of that.

Hymns are simply an extension of that embedding of Christianity throughout society, as a way of joining people together.

There isn’t anything in this which would state you had to be Christian - I’m not a Christian and can see the true value in this.

This is very different to a theocracy.

Well it’s hard to say, I have no knowledge of Tommy Robinson’s personal faith. It would be an interesting topic to discuss with him.

I don’t really trust the MSM generally

Because we are a culturally Christian country -I think this was answered at the start several times

I've not read all 40 pages of the thread, but I agree with singing hymns at school. We did a mix of hymns and other songs when I was in primary school.

You still haven't really explained how it would unite society or what the most popular hymns are. (Other than remembrance services of course). Perhaps the thread would have gone how you wanted if you could explain yourself even a little bit.

I wouldn’t say “indignant” but I will correct you if you wrongfully accuse me of something which when asked you cannot substantiate.

why on earth would me mentioning printing out song sheets make a difference? I answered this in response to a question someone asked about what I did to help promote hymn singing.

you really don’t have any arguments do you?

You haven't explained how it will unite society or when we had the society you are longing for.

You also haven't addressed why other songs can't do the same.

Not all aspects of the historical Christianity are good though. In fact there are a number of extremely problematic elements to the Christian religion (as you seem to want to include all denominations under one umbrella)

and for a growing number of people the negative aspects mean they don't want to engage with any religion.

I have addressed all these points several times

No one is saying they are all good. Where Have I said that. I said it’s important to understand Christianity to understand the UK

Personally, I sing Hymns and Arias whenever the Welsh rugby team play, does that count?

Yes

You haven't really.

Don't worry, the thread will be full soon and you can take your hymn book elsewhere

oh I have, you clearly haven’t RTTT. I’ll start another if you like

Just checking OP, you do get the reference?

I was actually indulging in a little rhetoric to make a point. You stated that singing hymns would teach children about the impact Christianity has had on our society. I disagreed and asked what singing those words would teach. Primary school children are not going to be ferreting about with Google to desperately find the meaning of those words as you may have done, are they? They will simply be parroting things that mean nothing to them and therefore learn nothing.

Still waiting for the answer to when

It took her 37 pages to make up remember that she prints hymns out for major events twice a year. Don't hold your breath.

I like the biblical references

No it didn’t that’s just when it became an answer to a question