To think all schools should teach children the old traditional hymns

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Just switching between channels and Songs of Praise came on. It was a run down of the most popular school hymns.complete with recorders It brought back many memories and how important communal singing is. It doesn’t matter what your religion is, everyone should know the most popular hymns as a way of uniting society.

And answer came there none...

So it's ok for hymns to be in constant development over the centuries, but at the point you hit peak middle age and have worked out exactly what everyone else should be doing to get it "right" everything should wind back to your heyday and then crystallise?

Got you.

I would rather my children werent brainwashed by "religion" in school

@ilovesooty I must confess to enjoying the peace.

YABU , it’s a ridiculous idea.

Why should everyone one know them as if your not religious or believe in all that tosh then they are pointless and meaningless realistically I would rather my child get taught things to help them in the real world rather then some hymns that have no relivents unless your religious

As you likely know, a feature of evolution is extinction.

More than 99% of living organisms that have existed on earth are extinct. Hymns will be the same. Indeed, organs were not widespread in Churches before the 18th century. So "long history" and "traditional" is rather subjective.

And no, I am not anti religion. Folk can sing away to any God they want.

I am against making it compulsory for all. Many posters are saying that here, but you, the OP, are just brushing them off. And you are brushing them off with Christian Nationalist dog whistles. More dog whistles than "One man and his dog"

And you do this while saying you are not a Christian.

That's the interesting part. If you had posted " I am a Christian and all schools should have compulsory hymns" , this thread would probably have gone a very different way, and the agree to disagree ratio would be closer to being representative of Christian v not Christian.

It's all rather suggests an ulterior motive. And this suggestion of ulterior motive is what led to the interest in your "616". Is this a code, many of us wondered. A Tommy ten names reference perhaps ?

You brushed that off, but then you started blowing that old dog while exactly as Tommy ten names would. Integration, destruction of society, Christian nation, Christian West, Hamas, and so on.

And you also blow your whistle to those old dogs in the Christian apologist Camp. Scientists are rethinking the big bang. A begging the question fallacy. You mock a noted atheist scientist for his singing. An ad hominin. You do the " silly atheists making mistakes" brush off too.

And you do all this, while saying you are not a Christian.

Would you not agree OP, that the " I am not a Christian" makes this whole thread rather odd ?

I think I would find most things more interesting and relevant to learn instead of Christianity. I'm not saying don't teach Christianity at all. My issue was having it to the exclusion of education about other religions and an excessive number of times a week. I could have learnt another language in all that time, which would have been a lot more useful to me in my job where I regularly work with professionals across Europe.

All kids should sing "All things bright and beautiful" as it is a lovely hymn.

I believe it was Diana’s favourite hymn

‘The rich man in his castle/ The poor man at his gate’ might be a touch outdated for some people

I was referring to your ridiculous comment about Islam. I assure you that I hold all organised religion in equal disregard. I have no issue with individuals having faith, however, but we don't need to encourage religious mob mentality any further.

You might hold all religions in equal disregard, but MN and the Left certainly don’t.

You’re approximately the 84th person to role this out on this thread,, the comment is equally as ridiculous as the first time it was made and dealt with.

id love to know which “Freak out at the mention of Christianity” handbook this was advised in as a good comment

Careful, your agenda is showing.

46% of the UK considered themselves Christian in the last census apparently but I know so many people who are ‘Christian’ and they wouldn’t be able to recite a single prayer or hymn. It means something different nowadays, it often just means I was christened at birth and maybe go to church at Christmas, maybe just for funerals.

The next biggest faith was atheism, which I believe far more. I think people from other faiths such as Islam tend to take it more seriously still but Christianity has been in decline for decades in the UK.

If "we" all want to go back to our religious indigenous roots yadda yadda, we should be embracing Celtic paganism, not the relatively modern import that is Christianity. Dust off the wicker man and let's party!

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Not at all, why on earth would I post saying I’m Christian when I’m not how utterly bizarre!!!! You seem to be suggesting I lie to get a better result. Are you for real??? Is that the way your mind operates, lie to get a result????

What your issue is, is that you have a standard argument that only works if I’m Christian. The only default in your standard argument against someone arguing for a Christian practice from someone who isn’t a Christian is to start accusing them of being far right- the ad hominem arguments always give away the lack of a real argument.

Can you not conceive of someone recognising the importance of a religion in the culture of a people and the importance of a society having a culture to make it cohesive? All without agreeing with the theology

So no, I won’t be lying to fit your argument. I’ve heard it all now. I didn’t even have that on my bingo card!!!

Where did I “mock a noted scientist for his singing”?

You're just thrashing around now making wild accusations because you don’t seem to be able to understand the argument.

The problem is the argument put forward by the OP is ill thought out and flawed. On one hand we are supposed to see hymn singing as an important part of the tradition of a 'Christian country' so much so that if we are to enjoy the 'unifying' benefits of community singing, only hymns will do.
On the other we are supposed to see hymns are nothing too deep, just songs 'about religion', the singing of which no more meaningful than any other song.
The OP is unable to address the contradiction in these two positions so is straying off topic presenting other 'information' about religion as though it is factual, despite no evidence.
When there is no meat on the bones of an argument, adopting a condescending tone is sonetimes used in place.

Who are 'The Left' OP? What religions to they disregard and follow? Is there any data on the correlation between left wing politics and following particular faiths?

I suppose it comes down to whether you consider the core part of a culture to be in its principles or in a certain selection of songs.

Ah, the next dogwhistle is here. Thank you for showing your true colours.

I also think it is worth considering if 'cohesion' is even a goal most people have. I certainly don't. I don't want 'cohesion'. I want a delightful inclusive combination of different food and languages and traditions. I want my children to enjoy sushi AND German beer AND dragon parades at Chinese new year. I want to have our friends round for Chanukah and go to theirs for Easter. I want to learn about how my polish friends celebrate Christmas and my Indian friends celebrate Diwali. So the whole premise is flawed for me.

One of the major reasons we chose to live where we do is because the local school has a huge range of ethnicities and backgrounds. My kids have friends who speak half a dozen languages and I love that. There was a poster up in my son's school that said something like 'at home, we speak 35 different languages' with a list of languages from all round the world and I personally love that and see that as a positive.