To think all schools should teach children the old traditional hymns

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Just switching between channels and Songs of Praise came on. It was a run down of the most popular school hymns.complete with recorders It brought back many memories and how important communal singing is. It doesn’t matter what your religion is, everyone should know the most popular hymns as a way of uniting society.

I believe you said at the start of the thread that you don’t have any religious affiliation but I can see that’s not true. I suspect you’d have had better discussion if you’d just been less of a twat, but you’ve been rude throughout the thread, claiming people are atheists when in fact, they just don’t see why their children should be forced to sing songs about a deity that isn’t real, with a large proportion of those who believe in it having caused real, historical and ongoing, harm to a great many people.

FWIW I love a hymn. I can’t abide religious zealots.

It was a reference to the biased reporting of the BBC who used a son of a Hamas leader in one of its propaganda pieces (as the BBC eventually admitted) I thought it was an easy to get reference point

I don't know why you keep saying this. Of course hymns are based upon musical taste. They were written according to the tastes of their time.

I believe I said I wasn’t Christian. So as well as calling me Misogynistic names, you have also misrepresented what I said. Is there a reason you did either of those two things?

im confused here, one poster says I haven’t answered a question raised multiple times, then when I answer it I’m accused of keep saying the answer. It’s like some weird alternate universe

Because nobody asked you this! You keep repeating it, but it's not an answer to anything! You're just obtuse.

Well I was responding to a question raised by a poster, ie I was asked this. Is answering a question now “obtuse”?

Thank you for answering. We just disagree on a fundamental level. Which is fine! Luckily we have the right to do that. And I have the right to raise my kids as I see fit. As do you.

For clarity I think everything you say should be avoided. Countries that rely on a common religion to force conformity aren’t places I want to live. They tend to be quite unsafe for minorities of any sort.

Thank you.

Nonsense.
The best way to understand Christianity and its impact on our society is to teach this in a clear objective way that begins "some people believe..." and goes on to describe those beliefs and provides examples of the impact the beliefs have had on society.
This should then be followed with "And other people believe..." with an outline of other major faiths, and the beliefs of those who do not support organised religion.
Singing hymns is an exceptionally poor learning tool.
For one thing, the language used is often archaic and open to misunderstanding. For another they contain very little information, typically confining themselves to repetitive words of praise for God, or the use of symbolic language that confuses rather than enlightens.
Please tell me what I am to understand about Christianity and its impact on our society from Singing "Glorious things of thee are spoken, Zion city of our God" or "Bring me my bow of burning gold, bring me my arrows of desire" or "When I tread the verge of Jordan, bid my anxious fears subside"?
I'm sure someone else with a greater knowledge probably could tell me. But it would be a very circuitous route when a simple history lesson would suffice.

As a 61 year old white British atheist, I’ve managed very well indeed without a good understanding of Christianity.

Throughout this whole thread, you’ve misrepresented what others have said - myself included. Why have you done that?

And accused other people of gaslighting and bullying and referred to them in condescending terms.

Where have I done that? Can you point out specific examples? Do you accept you misrepresented what I had said and used vile misogynistic terminology to describe me?

Have you got anything useful to add Sooty or you just going to keep harping on and on and on with ad hominem comments?

Guess you’ll never know if things could have gone even better with a good understanding of Christianity

It's a little rich for you to accuse people of ad hominems. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I do believe that's a Christian thing.

Well when I read the words “bring me my bow of burning gold bring me my arrows of desire” it took down a lot of research alleys and opened up a hell of a lot of knowledge about 18th century non conformist religion. If you want to delve deeper you could read Peter Ackroyds Blake biography to set this out very clearly if you were asking a serious question about the line

This thread is the most batshit crazy I have ever read. Including the one about the spiders' bits touching the washing.

I thought I’d try and connect by using some of the same communication methods😀

did your research get you to the Merchant Navy?

Yeah. Gaslighting with a whataboutism.

So when presented with a BBC article containing data that contradicted OP's data, the reaction is to say " BBC ? Whatabout the Hamas thing ?. Gaslighting to make the poster ( or audience) doubt the evidence presented, rather than address the data in the BBC article.

Reading through the new posts, I see the OP accusing others of gaslighting, when they were not.

The poster specifically said that particular hymn should be mandatory so it was hardly plucked out of nowhere! You’re right that it’s not the only one that’s potentially problematic, though. ‘Onward Christian Soldiers’ would also be highly inappropriate in a school of mixed religions and races, ‘The fountain full of blood’ probably would go down like a lead balloon too. That said, I would love to hear my kids singing ‘When a knight won his spurs’ or the hymns that come from shared theology such as ‘You shall go out with joy’

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I don’t think it’s controversial to question the validity of using the BBC to illustrate a point they have been clearly shown to be very biased - it’s quite topical think there’s even been questions asked in Parliament about it. Always question sources

And yes certain posters have been trying to gaslight me. I suggest youre a bit more objective. Do you work for the BBC?