To think all schools should teach children the old traditional hymns

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Just switching between channels and Songs of Praise came on. It was a run down of the most popular school hymns.complete with recorders It brought back many memories and how important communal singing is. It doesn’t matter what your religion is, everyone should know the most popular hymns as a way of uniting society.

And again later.

SeaAndStars · Yesterday 18:18
SeaAndStars · Yesterday 16:22
What are you doing to promote hymn singing and cohesion in your community OP?
Also this question?

I can certainly see the funny side of the assembled agitated atheists. That part truly is hilarious. I’ll be sticking round on the thread til page 40 though - I always see these things through.

Well I am not actually atheist but agnostic - I still believe that indoctrinating children is wrong. And hymns are part of religious eduction and have been for millennia

The alliteration still works

I answered the question re what am I doing- re organising community and work carol concerts and helping organise the Remembrance parade service with hymn sheets - you must have missed that

The alliteration still works ? So does the petrol pump down the road.

both are utterly irrelevant to the point about forced religious indoctrination

Can you explain how religious indoctrination will promote community harmony ?

My sense is that you’re deriving a great deal of pleasure from being antagonistic on this thread. You've been passive aggressive, patronising, and downright rude. I can imagine this spills out into your real life. You might want to reflect on that, going forward. When you’ve got time, between all the carol singing and organising that you do.

Why should we love them all though? Are you undermining a child’s fear of Dogs? Should we love bed bugs?

Are you or are you not claiming that hymns are meaningful to our society?
When you consider the words of hymns, do you agree that they contain words of praise and worship to the Christian God?
Do you agree that the meaning of singing those words is to offer praise and worship to a Christian God?
OR
Do you believe hymns are meaningful only is as much as they are traditional songs that people can sing together?
I haven't been able to glean from your thread which of these is your position.
All you need to do is spell out whether you're saying the first or the second, then I will be perfectly clear where you stand, will be in no danger of misrepresenting you, and can argue the position you're taking.
Whichever position you're taking, I'm happy to argue it!

I would still like to know why it has to be hymns rather than other songs which are part of British heritage. Greensleeves for example goes back much further than most popular hymns.
And what national events other than Remembrance Sunday do you envisage as occasions for compulsory collective hymn singing?

Yes we should love all living things
becuase we are part of one planet and one eco system

because love is better than any alternative- war, hate, selfishness, indifference

not because someone told us to, not because someone claiming to represent god told us to, but because we can see the logic and understand

well yeah and not to nitpick but neither of your verses scan.

Incidentally, All Things Bright and Beautiful originally featured this verse...

The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate;
God made them, high or lowly,
And ordered their estate.

So God not only made robins redbreasted, he made peasants poor. There's an interesting piece on this on the site Christiantoday dot com. I recommend it.

However, it's traditional to include that verse. Or was, until it wasn't.

That's the thing about traditions. Like culture, they change.

Where is the logic here? Isn't your whole point that individual thoughts and feelings don't matter? Enforced unity no matter what?

You can imagine whatever you like, in fact for many imagination is humanity’s connection to the divine

But I started the conversation in good faith, it was, predictably lept on by the usual cohort who get triggered everytime God/christianity is mentioned. I can’t help it if I find their reaction hilarious.

Here we go.

I don’t think you have understood the point. Your words are telling people to do something - love bed bugs. The original words are explaining something from a Christian standpoint, -you don’t have to agree with that standpoint. Completely logical, unlike telling a kid to love bed bugs

If you repeat that over and over you get a hymn of the terraces

I genuinely still don’t know what your point is. Why are hymns better than other songs and why should the next generation learn them? Why is cohesion and nationalism through religion important? What makes whatever version of hymns you like right for everyone to learn?

More inclusive than your traditional hymns

Completely disagree. Why should time be wasted on a subject that’s not true?

Because hymns are not based on musical taste, their primary purpose is to set out a philosophical position.

In order for society to function at its best it needs shared language values, norms and rituals - usually embedded conveniently in a religion

In the UK Christianity has shaped the way society functions for well over 1500 years. So in order to understand its history, values, norms and rituals, as well as its impact on all the arts and language understanding Christianity well is vital.

hymns are easy ways to summarise the main points of Christianity.

You don’t need to believe in the theology of Christianity to understand these points.

So could you explain your question about Hamas yesterday in response to the article about Tommy Robinson and Christianity?

But Christianity is true, it is true in the fact that it has shaped UK society, its language, its arts, its rituals, norms snd values, its laws etc for over 1500 years. To understand these things you need a very good understanding of Christianity

Whether you believe it’s theology is true is an entirely different point