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cardibach · 08/11/2025 13:51

Randomesttnought · 08/11/2025 13:15

I just found this. I hope someone is looking at the categories of data.

It seems from news that dissociated knife crime is up. It feels that way to me too.

It could just be wrong perception for all the reasons others have said but without the data I do think it’s a bit quite to say ‘nope - no problem here!’

So you have no evidence to suggest this, just a feeling from the news. News outlets choose which events to report on - at the moment people are interested in reports on stabbings, so that’s what they feature.

drusilla49 · 08/11/2025 13:52

bookworm14 · 08/11/2025 13:26

so much is breaking down as public services have consistently have their funds reduced

This is the absolute fundamental issue. The public realm was hollowed out by Cameron and Osborne’s ideological programme of austerity and this was then exacerbated by Brexit and Covid. And yet so many of the people so aerated about crime are also opposed to any kind of tax rises to try and repair some of the damage caused.

This is the problem. What exactly do you think a National Emergency would achieve? What’s it going to change and how? Or, are you what I expect you are, and someone from Reform HQ trying to stir up a bit of trouble?

TopPocketFind · 08/11/2025 13:52

WildLimePoet · 08/11/2025 13:47

Two Tier is an emergency. How can he call one? He is an absolute disaster. This government needs to be brought down as quickly as possible.

Are you answering Musk's call to a civil war? With his mate Tommy Robinson?

00PrettyHateMachine00 · 08/11/2025 13:52

I'm not sure I fully believe those stats. I moved to the place I currently live in about 10 years ago. It's not a 'leafy middle-class area', but it used to be peaceful and felt safe nevertheless.

Two days ago a teen girl walking her dogs was approached by a man in his 20s, holding a machete in the park, in broad daylight. Luckily, she ran and escaped, he didn't chase her. But. About half a year ago, there was a man with two machetes, one in each hand, roaming the town centre, also in broad daylight. Haven't harmed anyone, but let's be honest, it's not very normal, right. Nothing much was done. A few days later he was seen again, with machetes. And arrested (finally). There were many more various knife related incidents, also stabbings.

I agree, stabbings obviously always existed. But say what you will, men/boys roaming with massive machetes in the middle of the day no less and hurting or at least threatening unrelated people - that didn't happen. Or men stabbing random people in the streets, completely unprovoked, unrelated to gangs, and not robbing them. Gang violence - sure, muggings - sure, but not like this.

Though I really don't think it's Starmers fault and I'm no fan of his.

cardibach · 08/11/2025 13:53

Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 13:16

Oh give over.
So its lies, is it?
Knife crime isn't a problem, its not happening, right ok.

Not lies. But the news outlets dont report every thing that happens everywhere. They choose. Currently they are choosng to report on knife crime, which has decreased but is appearing more often in the news.

Daisymay8 · 08/11/2025 13:53

Stabbings between rival drug gangs is one thing. The random killing of passers by /young girls in a dance class -did not happen in the past

user5972308467 · 08/11/2025 13:53

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/11/2025 12:39

Yes, really.

I’d think a lot is going unreported then - the gangs stabbing other gangs, both equally unlawful are unlikely to be running to the police. Statistics can be manipulated to say whatever you like!

Needlenardlenoo · 08/11/2025 13:54

I mean, I don't want to start a race to the bottom in terms of taste here, but when I was a teenager at school, stabbings were more or less unheard of, but it was the height of the IRA's mainland bombing campaign.

I'm still a bit nervous around railway station bins and unattended luggage tbh.

Times change. Threats remain.

WildLimePoet · 08/11/2025 13:55

TopPocketFind · 08/11/2025 13:52

Are you answering Musk's call to a civil war? With his mate Tommy Robinson?

If you struggle with originality, you can always use chat GPT. No need to embarrass yourself.

Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 13:55

Alpacajigsaw · 08/11/2025 13:13

School stabbings are not new. I remember one where a girl was murdered by another girl in Glasgow around 35 years ago

You hear alot more now though.

OP posts:
NamelessNancy · 08/11/2025 13:56

Good news that it has gone down isn't it? At the risk of inviting much NAMALTing I do think if we want to address violent crime it's important for us to recognise that the vast majority of it is carried out by those with a Y chromosome.

Swiftasthewind · 08/11/2025 13:56

00PrettyHateMachine00 · 08/11/2025 13:52

I'm not sure I fully believe those stats. I moved to the place I currently live in about 10 years ago. It's not a 'leafy middle-class area', but it used to be peaceful and felt safe nevertheless.

Two days ago a teen girl walking her dogs was approached by a man in his 20s, holding a machete in the park, in broad daylight. Luckily, she ran and escaped, he didn't chase her. But. About half a year ago, there was a man with two machetes, one in each hand, roaming the town centre, also in broad daylight. Haven't harmed anyone, but let's be honest, it's not very normal, right. Nothing much was done. A few days later he was seen again, with machetes. And arrested (finally). There were many more various knife related incidents, also stabbings.

I agree, stabbings obviously always existed. But say what you will, men/boys roaming with massive machetes in the middle of the day no less and hurting or at least threatening unrelated people - that didn't happen. Or men stabbing random people in the streets, completely unprovoked, unrelated to gangs, and not robbing them. Gang violence - sure, muggings - sure, but not like this.

Though I really don't think it's Starmers fault and I'm no fan of his.

No. Trust the stats. People would never lie or mislead you. The stats say crime is down. If you think it isn’t then you have clearly been fed a narrative by Vladimir Putin and his Russian co-conspirators. You need to stop being such a sheep.

Fleetheart · 08/11/2025 13:58

Fleetheart · 08/11/2025 13:45

I think maybe the press (especially the Daily Mail) have got much more assiduous in their reporting of these incidents. But there has been a lot of knife crime for a long time. Hence the initiative Knifes not Lives. Personally I think we need. lot more police and a lot more training of police. They are not able to be where they should be.

Lives not Knives I mean.

abathofmilkwithladydi · 08/11/2025 13:59

OP, regardless of whether you're being deliberately obtuse or are really just that dense, you have been proven wrong so probably time to go and check those flags are still up.

TopPocketFind · 08/11/2025 13:59

WildLimePoet · 08/11/2025 13:55

If you struggle with originality, you can always use chat GPT. No need to embarrass yourself.

Don't you mean Grok?

Delphiniumandlupins · 08/11/2025 14:00

Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 13:45

Yes, and look how many more since then.

But the actual number of knife injuries is dropping. Nobody is claiming that the number is acceptable/not a problem but you are wrongly saying it is increasing. If an increase would require a National Emergency does a decrease suggest some successful strategies that could be built on?

cardibach · 08/11/2025 14:00

Crinkle77 · 08/11/2025 13:23

There lies, damn lies then there's statistics! Even official statistics need to be treated with caution. Statistics show knife crime has decreased by 5% in last 5 years but has increased by 58% over last 15 years. So you could argue knife crime has risen, although the ONS says this increase could be due to improved recording. I'm not saying OP is right here and I don't think its a national emergency.

Source:

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-levels-of-knife-and-violent-crime-are-falling-figures-show#:~:text=Home%20Office%20figures%20also%20show,in%20the%20past%2015%20years.

If those figures are right it means knife crime doibled under the Tories and is decreasing under Labour then. So Starmer is already doing the right things and no need for panic.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 08/11/2025 14:00

The way news is reported has changed. News is reported online and the news outlets get advertising revenue based on the number of page clicks and the number of people who interact with the article (eg: commenting and sharing on social media). This means that news outlets are incentivised to keep posting the types of news articles which get the most traction, not necessarilly the articles which are the most newsworthy or would have been deemed most newsworthy 5/10/20 etc years ago. Because of the way algorithms works if you have engaged with articles about knife crime in the past are also likely to have created an echo chamber where you see more and more posts about this over other types of news but again, it doesn’t mean it’s happening more frequently, it just means you’re seeing the reports more frequently than you used to.

Data shows that knife crime is down but if articles about it get the most views, shares and comments they will continue to dominate the headlines and it may look like it is more common now. If you engage with articles and posts about knife crime you will be shown more and more of these. The reason you think knife crime was ‘unheard of’ in past years isn’t because it wasn’t happening, it’s just because it wasn’t being reported as frequently or making national news or because the algorithms weren’t targeting you with this. You can’t form your understanding of what is happening in the world from the news alone because algorithms make it so you can’t trust that you’re being shown a balanced view of what’s happening, the ONS data is far more accurate than the daily Mail!

WildLimePoet · 08/11/2025 14:01

TopPocketFind · 08/11/2025 13:59

Don't you mean Grok?

Any help you can get will be an improvement.

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/11/2025 14:01

WildLimePoet · 08/11/2025 13:47

Two Tier is an emergency. How can he call one? He is an absolute disaster. This government needs to be brought down as quickly as possible.

Here they come …..

Wilfulignoranceabounds · 08/11/2025 14:02

SoloSofa24 · 08/11/2025 12:38

Violent crime in the UK peaked in the mid-90s (Conservative government), fell under the last Labour government, and started rising again under the last Conservative government, but is still lower than the 80s/90s.

Do you think possibly austerity and massive under-investment in mental health services, youth services, Sure Start programmes etc might possibly have something to do with it, OP? Or are you just parroting Farage/GB news/Daily Express talking points, and it must all be to do with 'illegals'?

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

cardibach · 08/11/2025 14:02

WildLimePoet · 08/11/2025 13:47

Two Tier is an emergency. How can he call one? He is an absolute disaster. This government needs to be brought down as quickly as possible.

‘Brought down’? That sounds a bit violent.
Are you not a fan of democracy? How do you imagine a government could, or should, be brought down? Any government?
In this country we have a system of elections and terms of government.

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/11/2025 14:03

cardibach · 08/11/2025 14:02

‘Brought down’? That sounds a bit violent.
Are you not a fan of democracy? How do you imagine a government could, or should, be brought down? Any government?
In this country we have a system of elections and terms of government.

Elon’s obviously a bit bored atm.

Piggywaspushed · 08/11/2025 14:05

Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 13:55

You hear alot more now though.

Can you itemise the 'a lot more' school stabbings , OP? Can we stick to stabbings on , or just outside, school premises , involving pupils (or staff) from the school, on a school day- in, say, the last 2 years.

Northquit · 08/11/2025 14:06

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/11/2025 12:30

I think I heard on radio last week that knife crime has fallen since the last GE.

Tractor production is up.