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Randomesttnought · 08/11/2025 13:07

Interesting the overall knife stats have fallen. This is why data is so important.

Is this indicating what is going on though? Most knife crime is historically gang related I thought?

The stuff we are seeing online is people minding their own business getting stabbed by randomers. That is different to gang crime.

Is there an uptick in that? Has gang crime fallen that much? Or was this always happening but not reported?

I have no idea but the answers are important. It is starting to feel risky outside and I am avoiding people I would previously engaged with.

Mt563 · 08/11/2025 13:08

Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 12:47

A day or two dosent go past without hearing about a stabbing.

You hear about stabbings in schools, maybe only occasionally but at one time it would have been unheard of for a pupil or teacher to be stabbed in school.

Hearing is different to fact. Just because papers publish more stories on stabbings because they get clicks and then social media amplifies this, doesn't mean there's been an actual increase

Alpacajigsaw · 08/11/2025 13:09

National Emergency 😂

tinytemper66 · 08/11/2025 13:11

Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 12:47

A day or two dosent go past without hearing about a stabbing.

You hear about stabbings in schools, maybe only occasionally but at one time it would have been unheard of for a pupil or teacher to be stabbed in school.

So what is Your solution? You are unhappy about the situation- so tell us what should be done…

Flipthrfhxsd · 08/11/2025 13:11

Well I don’t know how much I can add

but I do know that last week my husband who works late in a town centre , saw someone being stabbed, then everyone run off from a short distance.

nothing has been reported in the local paper or (shockingly lol) on the local facebook, and the police haven’t rang/ called or dropped in at his work for a statement, even though they had details and cctv passed on.

it make me wonder how much is reported/ followed up on

Dreamin4685 · 08/11/2025 13:11

Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 12:47

A day or two dosent go past without hearing about a stabbing.

You hear about stabbings in schools, maybe only occasionally but at one time it would have been unheard of for a pupil or teacher to be stabbed in school.

Does this not suggest that these crimes are being reported in the media more rather than actually happening more. Particularly as others have shown stats to suggest knife crime hasn’t increased?

PeonyPatch · 08/11/2025 13:12

I don’t think it’s an emergency. Sadly stabbing a do occur a lot. It might be reported more in mainstream news.

Alpacajigsaw · 08/11/2025 13:13

School stabbings are not new. I remember one where a girl was murdered by another girl in Glasgow around 35 years ago

Randomesttnought · 08/11/2025 13:15

I just found this. I hope someone is looking at the categories of data.

It seems from news that dissociated knife crime is up. It feels that way to me too.

It could just be wrong perception for all the reasons others have said but without the data I do think it’s a bit quite to say ‘nope - no problem here!’

To think a National Emergency should be called by Starmer?
Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 13:16

Mt563 · 08/11/2025 13:08

Hearing is different to fact. Just because papers publish more stories on stabbings because they get clicks and then social media amplifies this, doesn't mean there's been an actual increase

Oh give over.
So its lies, is it?
Knife crime isn't a problem, its not happening, right ok.

OP posts:
TheDreamCrusher · 08/11/2025 13:16

No need to panic, look at the falling stats.

Knife crime is down from fcking unacceptable levels of violence to slightly less fcking unacceptable levels of violence.

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/11/2025 13:16

Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 12:47

A day or two dosent go past without hearing about a stabbing.

You hear about stabbings in schools, maybe only occasionally but at one time it would have been unheard of for a pupil or teacher to be stabbed in school.

W

Simonjt · 08/11/2025 13:16

Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 13:16

Oh give over.
So its lies, is it?
Knife crime isn't a problem, its not happening, right ok.

Well yes it would be a lie to say knife crime has increased

Whatwerewetalkingabout · 08/11/2025 13:18

Is this Reform HQ cosplaying at a a mumsnetter? Don't be so fucking ridiculous. 😅

EsmaCannonball · 08/11/2025 13:19

Gang members and criminals have street doctors; they don't go to hospital unless it's absolutely critical or a third party has called the emergency services. Also, people don't bother calling the police any more, even for serious crime. I know people, all young men, who've been mugged at knifepoint and who think the idea of even calling the police is a complete joke. The man who thinks he may have been stabbed by the Huntingdon attacker back in September said the police dropped the investigation after two days and he was informed by text. Did they even turn up to that barbershop when he was waving a great big knife around?

I know people who have burgled, mugged, had their cars stolen, their businesses raided, and they just get a crime number, even when they can provide the police with CCTV footage. It feels like we are living in some kind of frontier town with no law enforcement and people just have to fend for themselves.

19 year old Lily Whitehouse was found murdered on the streets in Birmingham on Wednesday. 41 year Mohammed Azim has been charged with her murder. Apparently he was known to her. The age disparity makes me question exactly how he was known to her.

I imagine Labour will be feeling a personal state of emergency as the Red Wall they took for granted is going Reform and their studenty-metropolitan back-up plan is turning to Green-Red-Green parties. All that sucking up to a lunatic fringe at the expense of their heartland and they can't even rely on that vote any more. Great, we're going to be landed with Nigel Farage in charge of the NHS.

Redpeach · 08/11/2025 13:20

1600 deaths on uk roads a year, perhaps thats more of an emergency

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/11/2025 13:21

Which time was this, OP? When you never heard about stabbing. Razors were the weapon of choice for gangs of thugs when I was a kiddie in the 60s. My own brother stabbed another teenager when he was 14. Our son went to a good, independent school. When he was in year 5, a very disturbed young boy had to be disarmed by staff when he showed classmates a kitchen knife in his sports bag (our son is now 22).
That time has never existed.
Why are you so determined to ignore the stats? Are you not pleased that knife crime is falling?

CranfordScones · 08/11/2025 13:21

Complete alarmist nonsense. Look at the trendlines, not the headlines.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/record-number-of-knives-taken-off-streets-as-knife-murders-plummet

...knife crime overall has fallen for the first time in 4 years, dropping by 5%. The latest admissions data for NHS hospitals in England and Wales also show a 10% fall in admissions for knife assaults.

Record number of knives taken off streets as knife murders plummet

An unprecedented number of deadly knives have been taken off the streets as knife murders plummet after the government’s first year in office.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/record-number-of-knives-taken-off-streets-as-knife-murders-plummet

soddingspiderseason · 08/11/2025 13:21

Oh for goodness sake.

HRTQueen · 08/11/2025 13:22

There needs to be more police presence, there needs to be more positive involvement with teens (there is no where for them to go), there needs to be more involvement with young people who are not engaging in education/have mh issues/SEND

so much is breaking down as public services have consistently have their funds reduced

MrsMurphyIWish · 08/11/2025 13:22

Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 13:16

Oh give over.
So its lies, is it?
Knife crime isn't a problem, its not happening, right ok.

Actually on reflection. I read of fewer stabbings but shootings are increasing. I’m not sure where you live OP, but in my city knife and gun crime dominate our local news headlines. Statistics may reveal fewer crimes but for some of us in high crime areas, it doesn’t appear that way.

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/11/2025 13:23

Netcurtainnelly · 08/11/2025 13:16

Oh give over.
So its lies, is it?
Knife crime isn't a problem, its not happening, right ok.

That knife crime is increasing? Yes, that is a lie.

Crinkle77 · 08/11/2025 13:23

There lies, damn lies then there's statistics! Even official statistics need to be treated with caution. Statistics show knife crime has decreased by 5% in last 5 years but has increased by 58% over last 15 years. So you could argue knife crime has risen, although the ONS says this increase could be due to improved recording. I'm not saying OP is right here and I don't think its a national emergency.

Source:

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-levels-of-knife-and-violent-crime-are-falling-figures-show#:~:text=Home%20Office%20figures%20also%20show,in%20the%20past%2015%20years.

DustlandFairytaleBeginning · 08/11/2025 13:23

@Netcurtainnelly gently, you are being manipulated by what you read. The news media (tabloids, GB news) and Trump are really pushing this fear narrative. Tiny events that wouldn't be reported before are blown up and publicised. They are digging up stories from Russia or Indonesia to be able to serve up headlines that fit their narrative. They want you to feel scared and they want you to think something drastic needs to be done, even though things haven't changed a jot from prior years, and it is working.

I'm not exactly sure who 'they' are- Reform obviously... But it feels also like something else is at work. Trump used similar scaremongering to bring in martial law army troops to cities that opoosed him. Trump uses it to justify cutting back on peoples freedoms and free speech and roll back democracy. We aren't as far down the road as America but I think someone is studying his playbook. Please keep questioning, keep evaluating, keep looking at the language the media is using to you- why are they using descriptors you would use to describe a war for reporting two people having an altercation? The things we really need to sort haven't changed- poverty, drugs, aspirations to criminal life, reduced respect for authority, lack of mental health services, not enough justice/ sentence time in prison. Our problems are baked in and need serious consideration of how we reach these kids when they are young.

HRTQueen · 08/11/2025 13:24

I do not believe knife crime has fallen

what has changed is crime being reported and also how stats are collected I know a few people who have been mugged at knife point and don’t bother reporting it as simply not worth it as what can be done

ask members if the police force/courts/prison/probabtion/mh services vast majority will say they are busier than ever