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Rexinasaurus · 09/11/2025 12:22

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 09/11/2025 12:20

What does this even mean? They are obviously trying to address it, but there are no quick fixes and it will take time.

We'll have a better idea of how well they have or haven't done by the next election.

That’s convenient.

EarthlyNightshade · 09/11/2025 12:23

Netcurtainnelly · 09/11/2025 12:06

The PM should still address the societal failure.

Do you feel that any of the Tory PMs did a good job of this?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 09/11/2025 12:23

Rexinasaurus · 09/11/2025 12:22

That’s convenient.

?

TopPocketFind · 09/11/2025 12:26

Netcurtainnelly · 09/11/2025 12:07

Care in the Community failed.
They closed down all the hospitals to build houses.

Who are 'they'?

pointythings · 09/11/2025 12:27

Netcurtainnelly · 09/11/2025 12:06

The PM should still address the societal failure.

How?

And while I agree that knife crime is a problem, it is not an emergency. You say 'you can bet there will be another stabbing in the next week'. Yes, there will. There will also be another woman murdered by a man. Why are you not calling emergency about this?

BIossomtoes · 09/11/2025 12:43

TopPocketFind · 09/11/2025 12:26

Who are 'they'?

Wasn’t that a Thatcher initiative? I seem to remember every mental health professional telling her that community services needed to be built up before closing the hospitals but that didn’t suit her bottom line.

TeenagersAngst · 09/11/2025 12:49

Netcurtainnelly · 09/11/2025 12:07

Care in the Community failed.
They closed down all the hospitals to build houses.

I would prefer strong skunk was dealt with thereby preventing a lot of mental health conditions in young people from developing.

pointythings · 09/11/2025 14:22

The thing is that all the things that would help bring down knife crime are things the people complaining about knife crime don't want to see, because they would require investment.

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/11/2025 14:54

Kulwinder54 · 08/11/2025 16:43

Violence against women is visibly increasing all over the country and all women on mumsnet can do is argue about knife crime stats. Shameful.

I dont go out alone after dark now, unless im driving...but not to worry, knife crime is down...yay!!!

Edited

Most violence against women takes place in their homes.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 09/11/2025 14:55

BIossomtoes · 09/11/2025 12:43

Wasn’t that a Thatcher initiative? I seem to remember every mental health professional telling her that community services needed to be built up before closing the hospitals but that didn’t suit her bottom line.

Yep. Lots of people ended up street homeless as a result.

Pedallleur · 09/11/2025 17:33

EarthlyNightshade · 09/11/2025 12:23

Do you feel that any of the Tory PMs did a good job of this?

It's not the PMs issue it should be a collective issue amongst the present and previous govts. They own it as well

EarthlyNightshade · 09/11/2025 18:58

Pedallleur · 09/11/2025 17:33

It's not the PMs issue it should be a collective issue amongst the present and previous govts. They own it as well

The OP has suggested that it is the PM's issue, which is why I asked.

Imdunfer · 09/11/2025 19:07

Pedallleur · 09/11/2025 17:33

It's not the PMs issue it should be a collective issue amongst the present and previous govts. They own it as well

As do the people who pressurised and caused the situation where stop and search was reduced on the grounds it was racist, when in fact it was simply targeting those most likely to be carrying knives.

Rexinasaurus · 09/11/2025 19:08

Imdunfer · 09/11/2025 19:07

As do the people who pressurised and caused the situation where stop and search was reduced on the grounds it was racist, when in fact it was simply targeting those most likely to be carrying knives.

Agreed. 💯

pointythings · 09/11/2025 19:19

Imdunfer · 09/11/2025 19:07

As do the people who pressurised and caused the situation where stop and search was reduced on the grounds it was racist, when in fact it was simply targeting those most likely to be carrying knives.

It really wasn't though. When you get black solicitors stopped because they're Driving A Nice Car While Black, you aren't taking on someone who is plausibly a gang member carrying a knife. You're being racist. There's a balance to be had, and the police have hobbled themselves by being on the wrong side of it.

Imdunfer · 09/11/2025 22:25

pointythings · 09/11/2025 19:19

It really wasn't though. When you get black solicitors stopped because they're Driving A Nice Car While Black, you aren't taking on someone who is plausibly a gang member carrying a knife. You're being racist. There's a balance to be had, and the police have hobbled themselves by being on the wrong side of it.

Stop and search didn't refer to cars, it referred to people walking the streets. Black people were stopped disproportionately because black people disproportionately carried knives and sadly black boys were, and I think still are disproportionately the victims of knife crime.

Piggywaspushed · 10/11/2025 14:18

From the government's own website:

Ethnic minorities are over-represented in stop and search compared to both their representation in the population and in crime.

Stop and Search is not only , or even primarily, for the prevention of knife crime. The main target is drugs.

The police cannot simply stop a Black person because they believe the fact that they are Black means they are more likely to be carrying drugs, a knife or stolen goods. This is discrimination. The data suggest this bias is at institutional and systemic level. 'They are Black' is not 'reasonable grounds'.

HOC website

People have long raised concerns about the impact of the disproportionate use of stop and search, particularly on Black people. For example, the police use of ‘sus laws’ (stop and search-like powers in the Vagrancy Act 1824, repealed in 1981) against Black people was considered a contributing factor to the Brixton riots/ uprising of 1981. In 1999, the Macpherson report into the murder of Stephen Lawrence found that that disparities in stop and search rates by ethnicity demonstrated “racist stereotyping” by the police.
In April 2022, the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) published a national stop and search learning report. The report raised several concerns about the way police conducted stop and searches on Black people, including conducting searches on weak grounds and using excessive force. It highlighted how such encounters can cause fear, humiliation, distress and trauma. The report made several recommendations to police forces and policing bodies. The IOPC published a report in October 2023 providing an update on actions against its recommendations.
Research conducted by the criminal justice consultancy Crest Advisory in 2022 found that 45% of adults who had been stopped and searched found the experience traumatising, rising to 52% of Black adults.
Baroness Casey’s review into standards of behaviour and the internal culture within the Metropolitan Police (the Met) was published in March 2023. It found that the Met had not explored how the “humiliating and traumatic” impact of stop and searches impacted trust and confidence of Londoners, especially young Black men, and found that the Met could not “explain clearly enough” why it used stop and search on the scale that it did.
What is the impact of stop and search on crime?
There is little evidence to suggest that stop and search has an impact on reducing crime.
A widely cited study published in the British Journal of Criminology in 2018 analysed London data from 2004 to 2014. This study concluded that the effect of stop and search on crime is “likely to be marginal, at best”. The research found “some association between stop and search and crime (particularly drug crime)” but concluded that the use of the powers “has relatively little deterrent effect”.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/277111/4262.pdf

cooliebrown · 10/11/2025 14:32

the Government should certainly address the national emergency which is the complete breakdown of Mental Health services. Then we might see numbers of random violent assaults falling even faster.

Holycowhowmuch · 11/11/2025 12:45

MrsSkylerWhite · 08/11/2025 12:30

I think I heard on radio last week that knife crime has fallen since the last GE.

Hahaha not reported not counted kept local nothing to see here !! Haha look over there not over here politics and policy

Holycowhowmuch · 11/11/2025 12:50

TopPocketFind · 08/11/2025 19:31

Knife crime was highest in 2019, Labour's fault?

Often kept local not reported not recorded and therefore does not exist....according to politicians and bbc hows it working out in real life folks ........? Never see police around nipping things in the bud. Brave new world.

pointythings · 11/11/2025 13:10

Holycowhowmuch · 11/11/2025 12:45

Hahaha not reported not counted kept local nothing to see here !! Haha look over there not over here politics and policy

Okaaaaay then. What evidence do you have that accurate data was collected under the previous government but isn't now?

Because if none is forthcoming then you have zero evidence that knife crime has gone up. Feelz don't count.

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