To think a National Emergency should be called by Starmer?

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https://news.sky.com/story/woman-critically-injured-after-being-stabbed-in-neck-in-unprovoked-attack-13466219

Another Stabbing, its daily now.

Country's been allowed to get out of hand.
Should Starmer address it?

Best people stop taking their lines of coke at the weekend eh? Those spiffing middle class people have a lot to answer for with the harm and stabbings it causes with county lines, turf wars etc.

I also know people who live in places like Hackney, Wembley and Luton who say that even shootings don't get reported to the police. This isn't Mods versus Teds, this is organised crime with its own safe-houses and off-label doctors.

so much is breaking down as public services have consistently have their funds reduced

This is the absolute fundamental issue. The public realm was hollowed out by Cameron and Osborne’s ideological programme of austerity and this was then exacerbated by Brexit and Covid. And yet so many of the people so aerated about crime are also opposed to any kind of tax rises to try and repair some of the damage caused.

It’s definitely a problem. Knife crime in England and Wales has been creeping up steadily over the past few years. ONS figures show 48,409 knife-enabled offences in the year to March 2023, 50,510 in the year to March 2024, and 53,047 in the year to March 2025.

However, it is still below pre-pandemic levels, which peaked at around 55,000 offences in 2020. So, while obviously an issue, it’s not a sudden upturn, the progression isn’t at a shocking rate and it’s still better than it’s been until fairly recently. Which is why people aren’t regarding it as a national emergency.

It’s horrible, and it’s good that it’s now being more widely reported, so we’re more aware than we were five years ago.

This thread perfectly illustrates the difference between anecdotes and data. Crime in the UK (and most other developed countries) is way down since the 1990s. Dramatically so for some categories (pic). Even murders have dropped by about 30%.

But people's fear of crime - driven by non-stop news, social media doom-scrolling and algorithms, and politicians stirring the pot - is higher. https://policinginsight.com/feature/analysis/most-crime-has-fallen-by-90-in-30-years-so-why-does-the-public-think-its-increased/

Do know what a national emergency is called for op?

I also think the narrative that people are feeling fear because of the tabloids is belittling. People are experiencing this. They get on buses, they walk around their dead-end town centres, they live on council estates, they see shoplifters running from shops, they dodge the e-bikes and e-scooters coming at them on the pavement. It's an everyday grind. Even people who live in leafy areas see it in their jobs in schools and hospitals. I know nurses and teachers who hate walking to their cars after work because of large groups of men hanging round.

Aye, Reform will sort them right out eh OP? The party of peace 🥰

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Nothing to do with Starmer - the horse has bolted ages ago, when people turned their back on Christianity in this country, liberal values set in, together with 'gentle parenting', 'mental illness is not a stigma' (try telling it to the relatives who lost a son because a mentally ill 'treat in the community patient' shoved their son on railtracks) and lack of discipline in our schools, together with the demise of the family and family values. I think it started big time under Thatcher and then Major. Lack of respect for everything and everyone, starting with the lack of respect for authority, starting with the authority of mum and dad, etc. etc. And idiotic comedies, laughing, laughing at what should have caused concern and immediate action - like finding idiocy amusing - as in sketches of Rowan Atkinson, Harry Enfield, etc. etc. Finding idiocy amusing, then normalising it, then making it mainstream. Definitely not Starmer.

Still waiting to hear what the OP thinks a national emergency will look like.

How about a lockdown?

Everybody loved that last time 🤣🤣

How about vehicular deaths OP?
https://www.brake.org.uk/get-involved/take-action/mybrake/knowledge-centre/uk-road-safety#:~:text=1%2C671%20people%20were%20killed%20(1%2C602,down%20from%2029%2C530%20in%202019).
Should we ban cars, and declare a ‘national emergency’ for the number s of person injured or killed by vehicles?

Yes, and look how many more since then.

I think maybe the press (especially the Daily Mail) have got much more assiduous in their reporting of these incidents. But there has been a lot of knife crime for a long time. Hence the initiative Knifes not Lives. Personally I think we need. lot more police and a lot more training of police. They are not able to be where they should be.

Digital ID. that will stop all crime apparently according to some MNetters

What do you think this would achieve and how do you anticipate it being managed and by whom?

Two Tier is an emergency. How can he call one? He is an absolute disaster. This government needs to be brought down as quickly as possible.

I also agree with the people who are saying the reduction in mental health care over the last 15 years has a lot of repercussions. Many people are not looked after as they should be. Not this government’s fault and actually if we all want to do something about it we need to pay more tax as it’s no longer in the budgets.

You hear about them because the press have decided they are going t9 report on every single one, as other posters have said.
I was a teacher. When I took up my first post in 1988 one of my colleagues had on,y recently returned to work after being stabbed at a school event. In about 1994 the school I was teaching at narrowly escaped a stabbing incident because somebody told us about a pupil carrying a blade intending to stab someone he didn’t like. Stabbings are rare in schools but they aren’t a new thing, sadly.

As a country, we have significant problems, but talk of a state of emergency is bonkers because:

the majority of people have somewhere to live and food on the table
the majority of people of working age have a job
the majority of children go to school
water is clean and power supplies are functioning
emergency services and the NHS are functioning
public transport functions
defence is in place
the processes that characterise a democracy are working

Ah yes, bring down the government. what shall we have? Nigel Farage? That well known peace keeper and supporter of gun ownership. That sounds a good plan

Yes. This is just another Reform campaigner’s thread spreading misinformation.
Remember Reform is a private company owned by people who are known to hold their significant wealth in offshore tax havens - not the UK.

And replaced by???
The Party of Law and Order aka the Tories couldnt obey the law during lockdown.

You are being entirely alarmist OP. The stats say that all crime is going down. We have loads of data, provided by trustyworthy sources like the government and police and NGO’s that work hand in hand with the government and police that specifically say that crime is going down. Stop worrying and just get on with your day citizen.

Life has never been better 👍

Large groups of men? Like football fans?

Homicide statistics are unreliable. E.g., you can get historical statistics that show more people were murdered per capita in medieval times than the present day but that doesn't prove we are less violent, it proves that unimaginable improvements in infrastructure and medical science mean victims of violence don't die of their injuries in the way they did under the Plantagenets.

Does a drop in homicides since the 1990s mean society is less violent or does it mean that trauma medical treatment has improved and that the omnipresence of mobile phones means victims of violence or witnesses/passers-by can immediately contact the emergency services and receive all kinds of help much quicker? Back then you would have to find a phone and there would be no paramedic guiding you through how to keep the victim alive. Even air ambulances and motorcycle paramedics were less common thirty years ago. Again, are we less violent or are people more likely to survive violent attacks and not enter the homicide statistics?