To think a National Emergency should be called by Starmer?

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https://news.sky.com/story/woman-critically-injured-after-being-stabbed-in-neck-in-unprovoked-attack-13466219

Another Stabbing, its daily now.

Country's been allowed to get out of hand.
Should Starmer address it?

I don’t know but my local London one was closed, my answer is too many. I lived in London under Ken, Boris and Sadiq. Ken was by far the best one. But simpler times.

I don’t think that actually matters does it.

Neither does detail to you, clearly. Used to it with posters on MN.

“National emergency” is the sort of thing Trump does to give himself extra power.

And you don't think that might have had something to do with rising crime numbers?

Alongside 14 years of underfunding of the Met Police

I’m saying it doesn’t matter who was the party in charge ie Tory or Labour when London figures are up.Surely the fact figures are up is the most important point.

What makes you think that?

Agreed.

Oh, I think Reform want everyone to know how their Chair in Wales has been convicted of taking Russian bribes. Some people have described it as akin to being a foreign agent.
They also want everyone to listen to Carol Cadwaladr’s podcast about Russian finance for areas of UK politics inc Brexit.
But as usual the media won’t publish any of this on Reform’s behalf, so thank goodness for threads like these.

Reform aren't in charge now.
People are commenting on knife crime, although there is a bit of “who’s to blame “ politics wise.
Im not sure why people keep thinking Reform etc are anything to do with knife crime, and more relevantly why people think the posters concerned about knife crime are Reform bots.

But knife crime, which is what this thread is about, is down.

Not in London it doesn’t appear to be.

Nationally - but those of who who live in high crime areas still see and hear of this daily. I don’t want to say where I live but in the last month there have been stabbings near me and shootings in my area - but you can probably guess my district from just that. To us statistics mean nothing when we actually see it.

Thank you for trying. Βut after the first few words I lost the will to read any more about reform.

And what they refuse to understand is, stats for knife crime fall when nobody arrests the criminals or follows upon the crime.

Stats only show the crimes the police actually investigated and decided were worthy of prosecution. While knife crime and violent crime has risen, police investigating and arresting those criminals has fallen.

No, the stats people are talking about are also based on hospital data, and on the national crime survey, which also asks people about crimes not reported to the police. Knife Crime Statistics | The Ben Kinsella Trust https://share.google/PooIqV85WRsYY0zwa

How do we know that the stats are true?

National crime survey: Crime in England and Wales - Office for National Statistics https://share.google/EQWo2CHiDpBNtUElE

Which do you think is more likely to be biased: a) multiple different official sources of data, which have been gathered and compiled in the same way for years, under different governments, or b) people's gut feelings based on what they are seeing in newspapers or TV or social media, all of which now feed people streams of stories based on either algorithms determined by what they have previously clicked on, or based on the political leanings of their owners and editors?

A completely unprovoked attack suggests another unmedicated mentally ill man on the loose.

All governments benefit from reporting low crime statistics.

I don't know whether they are true or not but I don't like how some people just take them as gospel and are willing to dismiss the feelings and fears of real people affected by knife crime around them.

She’s mentioned Starmer because he is currently supposed to be in charge and doing a shocking job of it.

I don’t know why you are trying to separate it all out - this is part of an ongoing process of allowing uncontrolled immigration to undermine our security. The last Labour government started it, the Tories ramped it up and now Labour is continuing.

You are clearly trying to deflect because you can see that there is actually a significant rise which is contrary to your claim.

64% increase in Police-recorded offences involving a knife or sharp instrument in the last 10 years (comparing June 2025 to March 2016).

We know the government lies to us, we know the BBC lies to us. This charity does not have a political motive to minimise the figures.

benkinsella.org.uk/knife-crime-statistics/

Yes, all governments - this one, and the previous one, and so on. So the official police statistics may under-report crime, which is why the crime survey (which asks a representative sample of the population for their experiences in any given year) gives higher actual figures, but the levels rise and fall over the years, depending on what is happening in the real world.

The figures may not be precise, but the trends are clear, unless you think that the current government has somehow managed to get thousands of statisticians to lie about the data they have been handling for years.

She didn't say any of those things. And she's right.

Even if you take the political slant out of how/why news media covers things, and the fact that we are constantly consuming content relative to the days when our only news came via the newspaper and the 6 o'clock bulletin, there is a very specific reason that you 'hear more' about certain topics currently.

News media makes its money online. Ad revenue is much lower than it used to be, so the only way they can keep the lights on is by creating content that people will click on, that will appear high in Google's search results, that will be shared on social media and that will be boosted by social media platforms' algorithms.

Online articles are written/edited by SEO (search engine optimisation) specialists. The same outlet will produce multiple pieces of content on the same story.

None of this is to say that knife crime isn't happening, or isn't an issue...but the reason you're 'hearing more' about it is because it's a hot button topic that's perfect for monetization.