The racism on the Huntingdon train threads is appaling

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Just as the title says. The blatant racism and jumping to conclusions on the threads has been terrible. Mumsnet used to be a more informed intelligent place.

What is? Because he wasn't an immigrant, and we don't know anything about his religious affiliation.

I've been horrified by the threads on this topic. The in your face overt racism masquerading as concern for public safety is just dreadful.

However, I now know which user names to look out for on threads about immigration. People have outed themselves as racists.

Are you suggesting that British/white/Christian people do not commit crimes?

Thank you. Well said.

What's true, specifically?

The problem is that when a country is struggling so many people want easy solutions and if there are none then they start turning on others who ‘are not like themselves ‘ - so we end up with people like Farage blaming immigrants or those to the far left blaming the well off when the reality is that it’s way more complex than that - it started with Thatcher selling off social housing to try and turn people into good little capitalists , then selling off all the utilities plus transport etc - then we had the Tory’s from 2010 trying to keep off the threat of ukip etc to their vote by offering referendums because stuff was turning to shit under their dogma of austerity - you then have Farage telling huge lies about all the unicorns that would come along and be of benefit - none of which has materialised and for many businesses is a disaster and has simply given a lot of our best business to our neighbours across the channel on a on a plate, cancelled out a lot of collaboration and made the UK not that tempting an option for many multi nationals, to be honest I think the UK is a bit of a busted flush without a reset in many areas - it has a lot going for it but the British people were I feel fed a pile of pup and have shot themselves in the foot - all to protect the very rich from EU law — but the average Joe doesn’t want to think they’ve been had and it’s easier to blame it on those ‘not like themselves’ - and in the far left angle it seems that ‘their shall be cake for all and not accept that a good life often involves hard slog , unpalatable politics and making choices that might not always be popular with particular sections of society that vote for them

that's the unfortunate thing for Labour at the moment - too centreist for the Tory ‘hang em , flog em brigade’ and too centreist for the ‘let’s just take money from the comfortably off to give to those not quite so comfortably off brigade - regardless of effort ‘.

Of course British/white/Christians commit crimes, but generally not this type of crime in Britian.

If we pretend that there isn't a problem with radicalisation we can't tackle it. The bona fides of the poster you're replying to may be suspect, but surely most of us wonder about why an attack like this happens. In recent years in Western Europe, this type of crime has be carried out by radical Islamists.

I worried that it might have been an Islamic fundamentalist, simply because of the nature of the crime, and I worried because it gives a field day to anti-Muslim sentiment.

I don't think this makes me racist.

Generally not this type of crime? Do you have the stats for that?

@Yellowcardigan so what about the crimes committed by radicalised white men?

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The media fuel it.

I saw a headline that read “train knifeman used these two words before being tased” and of course the brainless masses all assumed it was AA. Didn’t even read the article before foaming about it

sums it up. I agree completely.

I used to be on here all the time but not as much lately, I'm spending less and less time on here (which is a good thing) as it is just so utterly toxic on here lately.
It's like a bigots safe haven and MN don't do nearly enough about it.

Perhaps that’s because there’s so much of it around. Trump, Reform, the Charlie Kirk’s of the world have normalised fuckwits speaking ‘their minds’ which seem to almost be full of racist shite about how god really does love the white people more and how anyone not white really are ‘the problem’ …

And because of the stealth takeover by US interests, wait until that shifts to 'we need guns here'.

I saw those threads and it was as if the identies of the suspects had been released, after reading them one would have thought a migrant had been involved. They were horrible and full of overt racism. It’s exhausting being on this platform sometimes.

I actually live in this area, this is my local town and my local area My first thought was someone wuth mh problems because our mh service is struggling, big time. But i havent put thst out therd because i didnt know, still dont.

And im also irish by background, grew up in Lobdon in the 70s/80s. So I know what you mean but surely we have to be better at waiting for news rather than jumping to conclusions or using as an excuse to be racist and other people.

You said people were murdered. Can you say who? And how many have died?

Racism has always been based on ignorance, it's an appalling attitude to have and sadly massively increasing in the UK. Brexit started 'normalising' racism and it's gone from there.
It also distracts from the victims - they are the poor people that should be thought of at a time like this.

I work for the MH Trust that operates in this area. I'm also well aware that young black men are at higher risk of serious mental ill health than the general population. And I don't think being painted as 'less than British' on account of their skin colour is going to help that at all.

@Yellowcardigan But it's very nieve to claim that no one should have even thought of a link to religion or race. Acts of this sort are, in Western Europe, generally carried out by Muslim extremists, usually of migrant background.

The finger pointing and poison started before any details at all were known. And seriously? The Plymouth Incel, Derek Bird who massacred 12 and seriously injured many more in Cumbria, the Liverpool van driver others.

When the first thing that enters a person's mind when they see the news of a horrific violent crime is not empathy and concern for the victims and gratitude for the emergency services that deal with things that most of us would run from, then you have a problem.

My 2pence on this matter:

The Government, media, and general establishment are extremely effective at getting their masses dismiss all sense and logic.

No sane, lucid, person wakes up one day and decides to stab strangers on a train. Police already acknowledged the attack on train passengers was not terrorism.

So logically one can deduce the attacker does not have all their mental faculties. So why won't the Gov/ media acknowledge this? Because it represents the failure of our mental institutions, and by extension, failure of Gov.

Moreover, when a significant proportion of the population is convinced the issue is attributed the attacker's ethnicity (not their mental deficiencies), Gov want to be seen as working towards a solution. Even if problem is imaginary.

The thread was dominated by a handful of posters speculating that the attack was the work of Geordie football hooligans or hoping the attacker was a white man. How is that not all about advancing a particular political agenda? There were also plenty of Norm MacDonald 'the worst thing about terrorism is Islamophobia' posts. Anyone even suggesting that importing hundreds of thousands of undocumented young men from ultra-violent countries was a bad idea was promptly scolded because noticing violence is somehow more hateful than enacting violence.

Completely agree.