The racism on the Huntingdon train threads is appaling

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Just as the title says. The blatant racism and jumping to conclusions on the threads has been terrible. Mumsnet used to be a more informed intelligent place.

Regarding the "racism" (put in quotes because some claim it isn't racist), I struggle with this: if we learn Black people, immigrants etc are over-represented in murder/rape/crime statistics the conclusion is "dog born in a stable", "better safe than sorry" etc.

But if someone says - men are over-represented in murder/rape/crime statistics, it's "not all men" and "what kind of men". Similarly, white men are more likely to be arrested for having CSA images - no one is seriously debating kicking all men out of the country; dragging all men out of their homes etc.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13552600.2024.2328046

We both know it’s not. A lot of racist people think it is though

The poster who claims to have been chased down Kendall streets by feral white youths isn't a victim, because 'she' doesn't exist. Search this poster's other posts - they're on the wind-up.

If you feel the brave guard, Samir Zatouni deserves an award for bravery for his actions

https://www.gov.uk/honours

Please follow the link to add your recommendation.

https://frasernelson.substack.com/p/is-britain-becoming-more-violent

I’m sure you join me in expressing thanks and admiration for LNER worker, British Muslim Samir Zitouni, who’s brave and selfless intervention undoubtedly saved lives. Wishing him a full recovery.

Looks like another attack in France.
A driver shouting Allah Akbar ploughs into pedestrians trying to hit everyone he encountered, leaving 10 injured.

You were saying?

Bit like that chap in Liverpool who drove his car into a celebrating crowd then...

Nothing like that one at all. This one had a car full of gas canisters which he tried to set light to after mowing down the people.
Absolute murderous intent.

What we are saying is that this is not the case in the Huntingdon train stabbing and that Samir Zitouni is a hero.

The problem with assessing crime levels is reporting. So many crimes, even serious crimes, go unreported. Going back years now, I know people who live in the more run-down areas of London and Birmingham who say they regularly hear gunshots but never hear any aftermath about whatever has happened. One friend who lives in London, and who kind of knows of a few dodgy people due to his extended family, says that criminals and gang members go to street doctors when they have been shot or stabbed, only visiting a hospital if the situation is desperate. The nurse I mentioned on another thread about this incident said that she deals with a huge amount of women and children from immigrant families who aren't even aware that domestic abuse is a crime and who are too terrified to cooperate with the authorities.

And the white British guy in Liverpool didn't have murderous intent? Sure, I believe you...

I only trust criminology if it’s the type that acknowledges that there are two sexes and that has an impact on criminality, yes.

I invite you to look up the number of men in prison vs women to illustrate the point. Anyone who says otherwise is lying and presumably has an agenda.

What world are you living in that you think this doesn’t happen?

And a guy driving his car into absolutely rammed streets, hitting babies and elderly people didn’t?

Yardie as in gang member has not been a thing since the 90s. London gangs are not full of Jamaican nationals and the 800k figure you sourced from Wikipedia is not only wildly correct but refers to Britons of Jamaican heritage.

Not actual Jamaicans.

1. The American statistic is not a real statistic. The 50% is charges not convictions
2. The screenshot was a fake screenshot as it applied a US (incorrect) stat to the UK

I’m concerned about your comprehension of my posts, or memory. Something isn’t working.

I didn’t say all Jamaicans are Yardies.

I didn’t say London gangs are full of Jamaican nationals.

This article is talking about Yardies spreading their activities to Ireland in 2023.

www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/1038495/yardie-gangsters-from-london-on-streets-of-limerick.html

I copied some information from the Met on the make up of London gangs. Do with it what you will. I’m a bit bored of your imperviousness to facts.

The Metropolitan Police's "Gangs Matrix" (now the Gang Violence Matrix or GVM),
In Oct 2020, it showed 79.5% African-Caribbean, 9.9% White European, 5.1% Asian, and 2.3% Arabian/Egyptian.

The UK statistic is real, unless you are accusing the Mayor of London of lying (which I guess is possibility).

Here is a motion at the London Assembly:

“This Assembly is concerned that despite making up only 13% of London’s total population, black Londoners account for 45% of London’s knife murder victims, 61% of knife murder perpetrators and 53% of knife crime perpetrators.

https://www.london.gov.uk/motions/knife-crime-black-community

Maybe you could do your own research into the US figures and report back to us?

I don’t understand your question. can you specify what you mean by ‘this’?

That you think criminology doesn’t address the gender differences in offending? Are you getting your information off Twitter,

Important facts about men being the overwhelming majority of perpetrators of particular types of crimes are being denied.

Data on sex is deliberately undermined.

Professor Jo Phoenix is concerned about what is happening in criminology.

It would be nice if you could at least try to be civil.

jophoenix.substack.com/p/what-do-we-stand-for

One random “professor” doesn’t change my mind I’m afraid.

I have to disagree with you up to a point here - Jo Phoenix is very well established in her field and area of expertise. She is however very focused on gender, and specifically on transgender issues. I am in agreement with her in terms of women in sport and women in the prison system, although I do not agree with her on everything.

She is however not an expert in issues of crime and ethnicity, and her ideas and beliefs do not automatically mean that all other criminologists are therefore wrong. Dismissing the entire field of criminology because not all criminologists are laser focused on all things transgender is ridiculous.

We don’t say that and we shame people who DO say that. As it should be.