The racism on the Huntingdon train threads is appaling

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Just as the title says. The blatant racism and jumping to conclusions on the threads has been terrible. Mumsnet used to be a more informed intelligent place.

Yes exactly, combination of historic racism within mental health services leading to differences in care combined with the impacts of living in a society where certain ethnic groups may live in poverty, receive poorer education, job prospects etc - i was highlighting that that poster was not willing to acknowledge the causes of violent behaviour amongst certain groups over and above them being men. Most people will make presumptions when you have this sort of horrific mass incident and ,correctly, most people will presume either a. terrorism or b.mental illness because making judgements is what humans do when faced with threat. The challenge in the modern age is that we all hear so quickly about these threats,its actually far healthier to not listen to any news or discuss such issues on SM!

London is in the UK.

The data from Denmark has been replicated throughout other European countries with high immigration but for reasons best known to themselves, our government haven’t been gathering that data so it is the best equivalent we have.

There is currently no evidence to suggest that Kuwaitis, Somalians or Iraqis arriving here are any less likely to commit violent crime than they are in Denmark. Can you provide any evidence to the contrary? Do we receive a special sort of extra nice, pacifist men?

From the recent behaviour by a Somalian asylum seeker (murdered Rhiannon Whyte), an Afghan national who murdered a dog walker (and tried to kill two more) and the Moroccan asylum seeker who murdered a 70 yr old, I’m thinking not.

Have you read the whole study?

I suggest you go and ask that question of an Afghani woman. (Or Iraqi/Iranian/Syrian/etc etc)

Oh wait.

The Taliban is closer than ever to achieving its vision of a society that completely erases women from public life,” UN women said in a press release on Monday.
UN Women’s warning came just as the UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) released its latest report on the human rights situation between May and June, detailing harshening enforcement of regulations against women and death threats against female humanitarians.

Check your privilege.

news.un.org/en/story/2025/08/1165622

Which cultures?

Those you are describing

It’s not a study, it’s crime stats.

The reasons why are known, but people don’t like them because it’s not “black people are inherently violent”. I could go into them if you wish. I studied criminology.

Afghani women follow Afghani men to safety once the latter have been granted asylum. Are you going to close off that route?

I’ve mentioned a number of countries, you’ll have to be more specific. There’s not many Brits moving to Afghanistan or Iran afaik. Or Kuwait or Somalia?

Where do you mean?

Oh don't go confusing them with actual science!

What on earth are you talking about? I was responding to Swift who was claiming that our country has the most misogynistic culture of all.

Specifically, this was the claim:

What culture could possibly be more misogynistic than this one?

Maybe try reading the context of a post before jumping to the totally wrong conclusion?

I didn’t say it was. People from cultures where violence is common are more likely to be violent though, regardless of the colour of their skin. It would be really nice if those men weren’t here, whether they originated from Albania or Somalia.

Why are black men statistically significantly more likely to stab other people? And don’t say racism or poverty because the highest proportion of victims are also black, and white poor people are far less likely to stab people.

Did you study the ‘modern’ version of criminology where the data on sex is obscured and ignored as the most significant factor in criminality? This may help me understand your answers.

Labour has closed off that route.

@BundleBoogie

You are a racist and to be frank, some of the claims you have made on this thread wouldn’t look out of place in 1930’s Germany. To say you should be arrested and tried for racial hatred is an understatement, but sadly in today’s climate you’ll probably just end up as a far right martyr for the cause.

I am utterly lost for words.

Oh do stop embarrassing yourself.

the two largest influences in whether a child will grow up to be a criminal is their home environment and their wider local environment. This is influenced by many factors, including things like poverty, witnessing domestic violence and being told they’ll grow up to be nothing but a criminal.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7517802/?

have a read of this
Risk factors associated with knife-crime in United Kingdom among young people aged 10–24 years: a systematic review
Sara Haylock 1,✉, Talia Boshari 1,2, Emma C Alexander 3,4, Ameeta Kumar 5, Logan Manikam 4,6, Richard Pinder 1,2
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PMCID: PMC7517802 PMID: 32977770
Abstract
Background
Since 2013, the number of violent crimes and offences by sharp instruments have increased continually, following a previous decrease, with majority of cases occurring among young people and in London. There is limited understanding surrounding the drivers influencing this change in trends, with mostly American-based research identifying risk factors.

Results
No association was found between gender or ethnicity and youth violence, contrasting current understanding shown within media. Multiple research papers identified adverse childhood experiences and poor mental health as positively associated with youth and gang violence. It was suggested that community and societal risk factors, such as discrimination and economic inequality, were frequently linked to youth violence.

higher rate in a group does not prove an innate tendency; it shows a correlation that needs explanation (age, poverty, policing, gangs,

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a82009040f0b62305b91f49/lammy-review-final-report.pdf?utm

have a read of the Lammy report

Lol you're the poster who thinks you're special because you're an American married to an English man.

Stop importing your American prejudice here, it's not needed or wanted.

And who armed and put the Taliban in power? The US.

For some reason people don't want to admit that the governments have a huge role in this.

Why do you think young men turn to gangs, and crime, and hanging round the streets? There is nowhere else for them to go. Community centres etc., have been so stripped back that they have nothing else to do

Islamist extremism has been a dominant ideology in recent decades this is a geopolitical issue, not because being Muslim makes you violent.

It’s like blaming all Catholics for the IRA !!

The numbers also get twisted. Arrests aren’t the same as convictions, and far-right terrorism has been rising fast in recent years (gov.uk stats).

A big Home Office review even found no difference in sentencing or offence seriousness between Muslim and non-Muslim offenders.

Radicalisation research points to things like social isolation, political grievance, online grooming, and trauma — not religion itself.

Over 3 million Muslims live in the uk - normal, peaceful lives.

Stereotyping millions of people( as long as they’re not white lol) doesn’t make anyone safer.

Reform proposes to pay the Taliban to take refugees back

Does Labour closing off the route to women and children get a response?

Or are you ok with it because it’s Labour

I am sure you already know my opinion on that but just in case you have forgotten, I do not agree with that policy.

You will need to find some words to back up your hyperbolic accusations.

Exactly what have I said that is racist?