To wonder where the left has gone?

[KenAdams]

Ironically, this is somewhat of a rant.

Is everyone too scared to stand up to the constant hate filled rants for fear of being called "woke"?

Is the constant inference that VAWG is only perpetrated by brown men not worth standing up to?

Is the rhetoric that all of our problems are caused only by small boats and not legal migration or billionaires not problematic? For the record, I believe it is a problem, but not the only problem and not even the biggest problem. I believe the system is the problem.

The increasingly hostile movement against anyone that is non white is making people fearful of going about their every day lives and people seem to just want to sit on the sidelines and refuse to call it out.

Where is everyone?

I feel like this post might turn into a gaslighting shit show, but fuck it, I've had enough.

I think the problem is any discussion was silenced for so long now it’s like the floodgates have opened. It’s difficult to say ‘enough now’ or ‘what about’ when the question of cover-ups, by who and to what extent and to what magnitude of harm is under review.

Do you mean in public life? Or generally?

I live in a very multicultural city - some not well integrated.
I don't see any fearful non whites - haven't seen any white racists either. A few non white ones.
The press are doing a great job of whipping this up tho....

I think the opposite is true. Because people have been aggressively silenced, gaslighted and called bigots for asking questions about the detrimental changes they were visibly seeing and feeling in their communities, the anger has ramped up.

If politicians had acknowledged the feelings instead of patronising people and calling them names, if politicians had explained and tried to address some of issues as a political priority, I truly believe we wouldn’t have the flag waving discontent we see now.

Politicians were arrogant and dismissive and now it’s too late.

I actually agree with this to some extent. People being offended on behalf of others for example.

This might help OP. A privileged left leaning man explains how his experience of living 200m from a migrant hotel changed his perspective from one aligned with yours to him becoming a single issue voter. I don't live near a migrant hotel but I'm not arrogant enough to smear and insult the people who do when they raise legitimate concerns. Perhaps you could start listening.

Because people are now seeing the fruits of leftist thought and ideas, and deciding they don’t much like it.

The left are ideologically motivated and see the world as they’d like it to be, not as it is; they replace things that work with things that sound good and turn out to be disastrous in practice.

Austerity ‘shock doctrine’ meant the left lost battle after battle, lots of left wing organisations and people ended up attacking easier targets (like women) and limiting themselves to cultural issues having given up on challenging power or changing anything economically, the labour party machinery and left wing press worked to smear and oust the social democratic option and we’re left with the pieces of all that.

Over here. More than happy to get called a far left woke idiot, and be accused of virtue signalling or envy to throw in my two penn'orth about what I believe. I'm pro women's rights, anti racism and anti class and wealth inequality. Genuinely couldn't care less what names I'm called by people who use insults in place of arguments. Interestingly, I'm also a ' right wing bigot' for my prioritisation of womens rights. So I suppose it balances out.

I’m a leftie but even I can see the movement has lost the power it had. The voices aren’t there, and the ones that aren’t don’t have the energy to keep shouting into an abyss of harpies screeching about boats and homeless veterans.

I am not scared of being called “woke”.

I just have no idea what it means. Seems to have no definition and any and every definition.

The Overton Window has been pushed further and further to the right. The mainstream political parties have been following it which is why what used to be moderate left wing views are now shunned by all of them and people who still have more left leaning beliefs are considered radicals to be avoided.

I’m have the same values. But I don’t think criticising policies of uncontrolled mass immigration makes you ‘racist’.

How do you feel when your values are in conflict - like you want to advocate for people that do not believe women have the right to live freely/dress as they like/ people that do not believe it's OK to be Gay?

The Liberal paradox I believe it's called.

No, neither do I. Its when these concerns are used as the gateway to encourage racism I have a problem.

Where are all these policies of uncontrolled mass immigration though, what am I missing?

People are so tired of events like this happening day after day, and no meaningful action ever being taken. Another day, another tragedy.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/uxbridge-stabbing-afghan-22-arrested-after-fatal-attack-mj35wxmb0

Britain needs to get over the idea that we can protect the world from itself. A man like this won't be sent back to Afghanistan because we consider the country dangerous - but Britain is now dangerous, and British lives at risk, because of men like this. How is this sustainable?

Nearly a million people net in 2023, with "skilled worker" visas to hairdressers and car washers isn't exactly tightly controlled.

I’m guessing that since the government shut off vast lanes of legal migration (ie overseas students etc) to get “immigration” numbers down, that policy has resulted in the migration into the county proportionally being a much higher % of unapproved and unplanned migrants ie asylum seekers .

By the simple and age old adage of your right to swing your fist stops where someone else's nose starts. So I defend the rights of any group provided that exercising them doesnt trample the rights of another group. Mostly I find it fairly clear cut. I'm not actually a liberal in terms of valuing personal freedom over all, as I believe sometimes it must be sacrificed for the greater good.

I watched about a third of this before I got tired of this man. He seems to be incredibly naive if he doesn't think women and girls get harassed by men in general whilst walking down the street or sitting in teenage hangout areas.

Not saying migrant hotels are okay, just that the behaviour he witnessed and was shocked by is commonplace, no matter what type of men are doing it.

It absolutely isn't sustainable. But why are they only an issue when the perpetrator is a migrant?

Where were all these people when women were getting raped and abused for last 30, 40, 50 years? I didn’t see protests then. We can "other" the perpetrators this way, they don't look like the men that we're married to, socialise with or work with. We can, if we squint hard enough forget they're all men, as they have always been.

I think you’ll find the ‘policies’ are more an accident than design. The fact they’re not putting anything in place to ‘control’ it, is by default, a policy of uncontrolled immigration.

There is no cap on the number of skilled worker visas which can be issued. 210 000 skilled worker visas were issued to main applicants last year, this figure does not include any eligible dependents who may accompany the main visa applicant. Since 2020 we have stopped recording data on people who overstay when their visa expires.

So how does that translate into welcoming people that are anti gay into the country? You welcome them and then try to pick up the pieces of their views taking us back decades in the workplace etc or you don't welcome them?