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Another day, another clown show - Epping asylum seeker and rapist released from Prison ‘by mistake’

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WildLimePoet · 24/10/2025 18:12

You literally couldn’t make this shit up.

This country is broken.

Reform should send David Lamey a big thankyou note for this gift.

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Mealy82 · 24/10/2025 19:48

ninjahamster · 24/10/2025 18:33

The fact he was an asylum seeker is irrelevant.
The issue here is that a prisoner was released incorrectly.

Do tell his victim that it's irrelevant that he wasn't meant to be here when he sexually assaulted her

Starconundrum · 24/10/2025 19:49

BoredZelda · 24/10/2025 19:37

Some nationalities are convicted of some crimes at a disproportionate rate. You cannot extrapolate they are more likely to commit the crime without looking at everything that happens up to that point. You first need to take into account the institutional racism of the police, and the inherent if not racism, then racial bias of society.

If a woman meets a guy in a bar, and she has a few drinks, then he assaults her on the way home, statistically, that crime has a very low chance of being reported. Will they believe her, will they be treated with kindness and compassion, what will her friends and family say?

Once she has reported it, she faces the judicial system, what is the likelihood the CPS bring a case, what will the court case be like, will they tear her to shreds, will the jury believe her?

When you put both of those sets of questions to a situation where it is standard white guy, or an asylum seeker/refugee/immigrant from a country which is deemed to be full of men who assault women, which one do you think is more likely to be reported for, and then convicted of the crime?

Study after study shows that black or brown men are far more likely to be convicted of a crime and the sentence will be longer, than white men in the same situation. This doesn’t mean they are more likely to commit the crimes.

But let’s, for the sake of argument, say you are correct and these men pose a higher than average risk to women. Even if we sent every single one of them out of the country, the affect it would have on the numbers of assaults that were committed would barely be a blip.

Reform, and the other groups of people who are making this about women are weaponising female violence for their own aims. They are doing nothing to prevent female violence and in fact, data shows a high proportion of those arrested at protests have domestic violence convictions.

You might not have a problem with refugees and immigrants being here other than this one issue. You might believe if none of them ever committed a crime, you’d be happy with them staying, you might not be racially motivated, but the people who are standing beside you are racist, they do want to see everyone sent out of the country, and some of those are very far to the right and have some even more extreme views on immigrants (well, the black and brown ones at least) Are you happy to walk along side them? If the answer is yes, you might want to ask yourself why.

I agree with this.

WildLimePoet · 24/10/2025 19:49

suburburban · 24/10/2025 19:46

Yes what’s the point of this scheme if we have just as many people coming here

It’s a way to bring in more people. Thats what successive governments have wanted. This government is just openly brazen about.

They want open borders and unlimited immigration. That’s why they they are now spending taxpayer cash to bring in people.

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CoffeeCantata · 24/10/2025 19:50

Pianoaholic · 24/10/2025 19:46

How is it comical?
I am not laughing, I am so depressed and angry after the news this evening.
And on Question time last night, inevitably, a question was asked about small boats.
Mariella Frostrup said 'when did we start dehumanising these people' (migrants).
Possibly when some of them come here and commit these crimes against women and girls.

I wish people like her would check their privilege. I don’t like being lectured by people who dwell in leafy Hampstead and similar. They need to get out of their bubble.

Julen7 · 24/10/2025 19:50

Starconundrum · 24/10/2025 19:46

So you don't care about them?

Disgusting.

Where did I say that? FFS. Faux outrage.

EasternStandard · 24/10/2025 19:50

WildLimePoet · 24/10/2025 19:41

A word salad basically amounting to ‘nothing to see here’.

Well, people are just not going to be gaslit anymore by nonsense like this.

There is most definitely plenty to be seen and is being seen.

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Yes the attempts to dismiss won’t work

RaspberryArcadia · 24/10/2025 19:51

As women we need to not become divided by this. The fact we are ruled by politicians of all persuasion who put the rape and murder of women and girls secondary to the rights of the perpetrators regardless of their citizenship or race is the real shameful disgrace in this. Trying to label or shame people who speak out against it by putting some divisive, political leaning spin on it just detracts from the very sad truth… to some WE matter less.

Randomesttnought · 24/10/2025 19:51

Pianoaholic · 24/10/2025 19:46

How is it comical?
I am not laughing, I am so depressed and angry after the news this evening.
And on Question time last night, inevitably, a question was asked about small boats.
Mariella Frostrup said 'when did we start dehumanising these people' (migrants).
Possibly when some of them come here and commit these crimes against women and girls.

It’s funny because the literal one person they had to actually deport promptly they have ‘lost’. How?!?! How do you lose someone in prison. Particularly the one person who arguably was the tipping point for the largest social uprising across this country in decades.

And anger. I have been so so angry. But it really is getting to the point that very little surprises, shocks or angers me now. I just think this country is pathetic. Completely and utterly useless and incompetent. And that’s laugh or cry. I am not going to cry over this. So I have laughed. Very loudly in my kitchen.

BoredZelda · 24/10/2025 19:52

matresense · 24/10/2025 19:38

@AutumnCosy2025@ninjahamster

agreed. Or Ethiopia either - it’s a safe country, fundamentally. A poor one, but it’s really stretching the refugee convention beyond what was intended.

You were one of the authors of the convention? How interesting! Can you tell us about more about the intentions and how they were discussed at the time? Were they very specific about how “safe” was defined and how that might change with society in the following 70 decades or so? I’m so excited to have someone so knowledgeable about how this all came about, here on this forum to talk us through it.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 24/10/2025 19:52

Noodledog · 24/10/2025 19:41

I'm not, but I would like it to help the actually vulnerable, and not young men who have the money to pay people smugglers and the wherewithal to cross continents. And then expect everyone to behave as if those relatively privileged men are incredibly vulnerable.

So centres that assess people's claims nearer their home countries. A realistic acceptance that knowing the right things to parrot doesn't make them true. Priority given to women and children.

Basically, I want a system that tries to help the truly vulnerable, not a fucked up, survival of the fittest race to reach the UK, that will inevitably be won by the strongest. What we have at the moment is madness.

Another stellar post, Noodledog, especially the observation that "knowing the right things to parrot doesn't make them true"

FWIW I'm another who's happy to help the genuinely vulnerable, and another malign aspect is that those gaming what's laughably called a system are actually shoving those most in need towards the end of the queue in so much time and treasure having to be spent on them

Julen7 · 24/10/2025 19:52

Randomesttnought · 24/10/2025 19:51

It’s funny because the literal one person they had to actually deport promptly they have ‘lost’. How?!?! How do you lose someone in prison. Particularly the one person who arguably was the tipping point for the largest social uprising across this country in decades.

And anger. I have been so so angry. But it really is getting to the point that very little surprises, shocks or angers me now. I just think this country is pathetic. Completely and utterly useless and incompetent. And that’s laugh or cry. I am not going to cry over this. So I have laughed. Very loudly in my kitchen.

Probably deliberate.

EasternStandard · 24/10/2025 19:52

Starconundrum · 24/10/2025 19:46

So you don't care about them?

Disgusting.

@Julen7didn’t say that, you’re not close

EasternStandard · 24/10/2025 19:54

Randomesttnought · 24/10/2025 19:51

It’s funny because the literal one person they had to actually deport promptly they have ‘lost’. How?!?! How do you lose someone in prison. Particularly the one person who arguably was the tipping point for the largest social uprising across this country in decades.

And anger. I have been so so angry. But it really is getting to the point that very little surprises, shocks or angers me now. I just think this country is pathetic. Completely and utterly useless and incompetent. And that’s laugh or cry. I am not going to cry over this. So I have laughed. Very loudly in my kitchen.

I get you. Fucking ridiculous. Anger inducing and a farce.

OnlyMabelInTheBuilding · 24/10/2025 19:54

EasternStandard · 24/10/2025 19:52

@Julen7didn’t say that, you’re not close

Don’t worry, no one is buying these deflection attempts any longer.

The mood has long changed.

Pianoaholic · 24/10/2025 19:54

I assumed you were laughing sarcastically at the situation @Randomesttnought .
It does tie in with the deported person turning up again 2 weeks later on another boat.
Complete farce.

BoredZelda · 24/10/2025 19:55

Mealy82 · 24/10/2025 19:48

Do tell his victim that it's irrelevant that he wasn't meant to be here when he sexually assaulted her

You think it makes any difference at all to the victim? I doubt his status is high on her list of things to be thinking about.

EsmaCannonball · 24/10/2025 19:57

The man of indeterminate age who murdered asylum hotel worker and mother Rhiannon Whyte by stabbing her repeatedly in the head with a screwdriver had previously lived in Germany and had his asylum claim rejected there. It is clear that these disturbed and violent men are part of the reason why the countries they economically migrate from are so dangerous, and also that rejected asylum claims are meaningless. They can put in multiple appeals in each country and wander around Europe making repeated claims. These men are not poor and desperate. They are the ones who can afford to travel and pay smugglers, often because they are already criminals or are working for the organised crime gangs who are involved in people smuggling and other crimes. The asylum system is designed for the 1940s and not for the 21st century world of mass travel, growing wealth in developing countries and organised crime and terrorism.

TonTonMacoute · 24/10/2025 19:57

ColinOfficeTrolley · 24/10/2025 18:41

2 women a week in the UK alone are murdered by men they know.

Are you up in arms about that?

Women will get murdered and raped daily whether illegal immigrants are here or not.

I agree that immigration is a massive issue, but let's not pretend women and girls would be safe if all male asylum seekers disappeared tomorrow.

I'm so fucking fed up of this argument.

All it's saying we have a problem with male violence against women already so it doesn't matter if we give free access to women to even more men from other countries? Is that what you are saying?

BoredZelda · 24/10/2025 20:00

Pianoaholic · 24/10/2025 19:54

I assumed you were laughing sarcastically at the situation @Randomesttnought .
It does tie in with the deported person turning up again 2 weeks later on another boat.
Complete farce.

You think this has never happened before?

Mealy82 · 24/10/2025 20:00

ColinOfficeTrolley · 24/10/2025 18:41

2 women a week in the UK alone are murdered by men they know.

Are you up in arms about that?

Women will get murdered and raped daily whether illegal immigrants are here or not.

I agree that immigration is a massive issue, but let's not pretend women and girls would be safe if all male asylum seekers disappeared tomorrow.

This doesn't make any logical sense. 95% of the people on boat crossings are young men from cultures that have very different attitudes to sexual assault than we have in the UK.

Julen7 · 24/10/2025 20:00

TonTonMacoute · 24/10/2025 19:57

I'm so fucking fed up of this argument.

All it's saying we have a problem with male violence against women already so it doesn't matter if we give free access to women to even more men from other countries? Is that what you are saying?

Completely nonsensical isn’t it. It’s brought up to try and deflect.

Randomesttnought · 24/10/2025 20:01

Pianoaholic · 24/10/2025 19:54

I assumed you were laughing sarcastically at the situation @Randomesttnought .
It does tie in with the deported person turning up again 2 weeks later on another boat.
Complete farce.

I did also laugh at that. I just don’t actually get this issue. Boats are not small. Get a load of people on the Calais coast permanently and just concentrate on confiscating boats. We are paying them to do something to this effect no?!

EmeraldShamrock000 · 24/10/2025 20:03

If it wasn't so fucked up, it would be funny.
Shocking.

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 24/10/2025 20:03

RaspberryArcadia · 24/10/2025 19:51

As women we need to not become divided by this. The fact we are ruled by politicians of all persuasion who put the rape and murder of women and girls secondary to the rights of the perpetrators regardless of their citizenship or race is the real shameful disgrace in this. Trying to label or shame people who speak out against it by putting some divisive, political leaning spin on it just detracts from the very sad truth… to some WE matter less.

Womens and girl's safety and rights shouldn't be a political point scoring football.
It should be a given that women's concerns etc are taken seriously.
I just don't think Reform are the Answer to Britain's ills.

TwistedWonder · 24/10/2025 20:04

PreciousTatas · 24/10/2025 18:31

Because these crimes would not have happened if the UK asylum system was working. Those little girls and women would not have been raped or killed if these men were not in the country.

Some nationalities commit some crimes at disproportionate rates to the native British, that should not be ignored or swept under the rug. It helps no one.

I'm far from a reform supporter as an immigrant myself, but this is just stupid. Unvetted criminal men should not be given an opportunity to be freely roaming the UK committing crime.

Totally agree. I have zero time for Reform and Farage but this counter argument ‘white men are rapists too why aren’t you saying anything about them is beyond ridiculous. Of course there are many many home grown violent sexual offenders, no one is saying otherwise but that doesn’t mean that allowing 1000’s of unvetted men into the country is ok. We can’t deport our own rapists sadly but we should be vetting who comes in far far better.

And just shouting far right, bigot, racist at anyone who dares to mention it does no one any favours. They’re empty meaningless overused words now.

There's actual CCTV of this convicted criminal strolling around Chelmsford town centre today looking like he’s just doing his shopping - no attempt at hiding himself.

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