Another day, another clown show - Epping asylum seeker and rapist released from Prison ‘by mistake’

[WildLimePoet]

You literally couldn’t make this shit up.

This country is broken.

Reform should send David Lamey a big thankyou note for this gift.

This kind of obtuse response does not work any more. People are well aware of the connections and the issues here.

Well to be completely honest, I'd happily not allow a man from Sudan to claim asylum here.

Some nationalities are convicted of some crimes at a disproportionate rate. You cannot extrapolate they are more likely to commit the crime without looking at everything that happens up to that point. You first need to take into account the institutional racism of the police, and the inherent if not racism, then racial bias of society.

If a woman meets a guy in a bar, and she has a few drinks, then he assaults her on the way home, statistically, that crime has a very low chance of being reported. Will they believe her, will they be treated with kindness and compassion, what will her friends and family say?

Once she has reported it, she faces the judicial system, what is the likelihood the CPS bring a case, what will the court case be like, will they tear her to shreds, will the jury believe her?

When you put both of those sets of questions to a situation where it is standard white guy, or an asylum seeker/refugee/immigrant from a country which is deemed to be full of men who assault women, which one do you think is more likely to be reported for, and then convicted of the crime?

Study after study shows that black or brown men are far more likely to be convicted of a crime and the sentence will be longer, than white men in the same situation. This doesn’t mean they are more likely to commit the crimes.

But let’s, for the sake of argument, say you are correct and these men pose a higher than average risk to women. Even if we sent every single one of them out of the country, the affect it would have on the numbers of assaults that were committed would barely be a blip.

Reform, and the other groups of people who are making this about women are weaponising female violence for their own aims. They are doing nothing to prevent female violence and in fact, data shows a high proportion of those arrested at protests have domestic violence convictions.

You might not have a problem with refugees and immigrants being here other than this one issue. You might believe if none of them ever committed a crime, you’d be happy with them staying, you might not be racially motivated, but the people who are standing beside you are racist, they do want to see everyone sent out of the country, and some of those are very far to the right and have some even more extreme views on immigrants (well, the black and brown ones at least) Are you happy to walk along side them? If the answer is yes, you might want to ask yourself why.

I'd like to know what % of death by dangerous driving, knife crime, sexual assault, and murder are perpetrated by first generation immigrants

Good luck with that, @Meadowfinch, because successive governments haven't wanted you to know - an issue which was picked up by Baroness Casey, who found that such details weren't even being recorded adequately

Nor were the authorities alone, as you're seeing with the constant whataboutery the very question brings forth, and looking at the utterly predictable farce the grooming gang inquiry's turning into it seems there's no chance at all of that changing

@AutumnCosy2025@ninjahamster

agreed. Or Ethiopia either - it’s a safe country, fundamentally. A poor one, but it’s really stretching the refugee convention beyond what was intended.

Brilliant post!

Is there any prison staff that can explain prisoner discharge and what can lead to this happening?
Obviously it's a monumental fuck up and what can be done to stop it happening.

I don’t agree.

Someone who is applying for residence in this country, whose circumstances and character we would expect to be carefully scrutinised, is so sexually out of control that he assaults a young girl while most rational people would expect him to be on his best behaviour! - and is imprisoned.

Of course it’s relevant.

Yep

My daughter’s first Neurological Consultant was from Sudan. He has done some groundbreaking research on headaches in children and adolescents and has helped thousands of children. I’m glad he is here. Sadly retired now.

Not really the point.

I'm not, but I would like it to help the actually vulnerable, and not young men who have the money to pay people smugglers and the wherewithal to cross continents. And then expect everyone to behave as if those relatively privileged men are incredibly vulnerable.

So centres that assess people's claims nearer their home countries. A realistic acceptance that knowing the right things to parrot doesn't make them true. Priority given to women and children.

Basically, I want a system that tries to help the truly vulnerable, not a fucked up, survival of the fittest race to reach the UK, that will inevitably be won by the strongest. What we have at the moment is madness.

A word salad basically amounting to ‘nothing to see here’.

Well, people are just not going to be gaslit anymore by nonsense like this.

There is most definitely plenty to be seen and is being seen.

It’s not often I laugh about a sex offender running free but this is comical.

Because we have a lot of arsehole men already native to this country, we don't need anymore. Certainly not ones who don't have a cultural respect for women and don't view women as equals. We're merely a piece of meat to some men.

That's like saying people will always be murdered so let's legalise handguns to make it even more likely.

Importing lots of unvetted, undocumented young men from countries where extreme violence and lawlessness is endemic and where attitudes towards women are incredibly different is a terrible idea. I've met women from Uganda and Kenya, for example, who say that women and girls (in fact especially girls) from some areas of those countries are under an unspoken curfew. You have to rush home before it goes dark because rape is so prevalent. We are importing the cultural dysfunction of those countries.

At a minimum we need to know the true identity and age of anyone migrating here, their mental health status and their criminal offending history. Anyone moving here (from any country) should be a proven asset to the UK. So many of these men are organised crime affiliated and the institutional naivety about it is killing people.

But let’s, for the sake of argument, say you are correct and these men pose a higher than average risk to women. Even if we sent every single one of them out of the country, the affect it would have on the numbers of assaults that were committed would barely be a blip.

Even if this were true, it would still be worth it. Not one single attack on a woman is worth us supporting lots of fighting age men from misogynistic societies.

I think that poster is beyond help tbh.

the risk of one rapist is not worth one consultant.

So you don't care about them?

Disgusting.

Fuck Sake. No one has said that. But it doesn't take a fucking genius to work out the fewer rapists & murderers there are, the lower the risk.

It's quite possible to be 'up in arms' about more than one issue. Sorry if that's a concept beyond your reach.

How is it comical?
I am not laughing, I am so depressed and angry after the news this evening.
And on Question time last night, inevitably, a question was asked about small boats.
Mariella Frostrup said 'when did we start dehumanising these people' (migrants).
Possibly when some of them come here and commit these crimes against women and girls.

Yes what’s the point of this scheme if we have just as many people coming here

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The life in countries that some of these people come from has rendered some of them brutalised and traumatised. I don't know what the answer is but it probably isn't a welcome mat.