To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

[AngeloMysterioso]

Oooofff. I mean it might as well be called Fuck You David Harbour, You Cheating Bastard. Safe to say she’s set a new bar for diaristic songwriting. I feel so sad for her, I know she’s not everyone’s favourite person but it’s always been clear that all she wanted was to love and be loved and she seemed so happy with him- he popped up on her podcast with Miquita Oliver a few times and seemed so genuine in the way he spoke about her… for it to all collapse in such spectacularly public and hideous fashion must have been awful to endure, so I don’t blame her for working through it by going back to what she does best but still… blimey. I feel like I’ve been spying in their bedroom or something after listening to it!

She is a vile awful woman and I pity her children.

Laughing about how many abortions she has had, getting rid of her dog because it ate the passports SHE left out for it to destroy.

Her songwriting is shit and so is her voice. My dog can sing better than she can

So what?

All about timing.

Totally agree. I think she's loathsome.

I don"t care about her abortions though.

Agree completely

It’s nothing to do with arguing.

LA shouldn’t have multiple abortions because medical advice is that she should use contraception.

so? You can comprehend a world where people do things against medical advice, surely? The end result is no pregnancy which was lily’s choice to make, regardless of how she got there

This is off topic but having a coil fitted CAN be horrendous. But it gets too much of a bad press which puts women off when it might really suit them. I love not having periods.

Sorry, but I don't automatically believe her side. She said some things about him during their marriage which shouldn't have been said publicly. Then she said she was only back on Raya to find him? He hasn't said a word about her, but I would be interested to hear his side, though I doubt he will ever reveal it. She's not a good person, never has been, so I am not inclined to listen to what she has to say and take it as gospel. Did he cheat? Possibly and if he did, he is an arsehole, but I don't believe she is innocent, although lots will argue she is.

If only she were a novelist, she could hide it better!

I can't stand her... hate her voice, hate her music, hate her stupid lyrics, hate the way she always used to attack other women for no reason. At the same time, I am sorry for all the horrible things she's been through.

This is a bizarre take to be honest. I had an abortion and it destroyed me in so many ways. I would take the pain and discomfort of having a coil fitted over an abortion a million times. Abortions aren't a joke and never should be, and I am extremely pro-choice.

If it's true she agreed to an open marriage with David as long as he didn't get emotionally involved, surely this was always an accident waiting to happen?

Yes, each to their own, personally I couldn't rely on the timing method as my periods were all over the place and I needed the reassurance of the pill ( although not entirely foolproof I know)
Everyone will have different opinions on using the MAP as contraception.

Just wanted to note - having multiple abortions isn't the same as 'abortion being your birth control' in the absence of any other method, and I don't think she ever said or implied the latter.

The main reason I detest her is because she got rid of her dog in revenge because it was a puppy and chewed passports. Obviously unsupervised by her. But what sort of person takes vengeance against a rescue dog that you can't look after properly. And the fact that she spoke about it so openly showed her psychopathic nature.

Her abortion methods and the blithe way she spoke of them also seem to indicate an incapacity for much feeling - for those many women who've lost babies or can't get pregnant for example.

She also exaggerated massively the number of people who lost their lives in the Grenfell tragedy in order to virtue signal.

No sympathy from me.

Whereas mine was not a difficult decision, not a laborious process and aside from perhaps half an hour of discomfort, not particularly painful. But neither my experience nor yours should be a reason to judge what other women should or shouldn’t be allowed to do.

She herself has suffered miscarriages and stillbirth.

Should she have kept the dog even after she realised she wasn’t capable of providing the level of care and supervision it needed?

Forgot about what she said about Grenfell! That was disgusting - she used the victims' deaths for attention, and managed to confuse a lot of people's understanding of what happened by lying about it. I don't know how her career survived that.

And I don't, but publicly laughing at abortions isn't okay. I know someone who had a miscarriage and wasn't upset by it, would it be okay for her to make light of miscarriage in the same style Allen did? No. Just because YOU found it unobtrusive, doesn't mean that it is acceptable to then joke about it like that, abortion is incredibly hard for many women.

I think the album is great.
I'm a bit on the fence about Lily, but it sounds like she agreed to an open relationship for him and it went very badly.
I can sympathise with this, I (admittedly in my very early 20s, not mid-30s) agreed to a similar agreement because I desperately wanted to be with the charming, charismatic older man - who it turned out was a very damaged, mentally unwell, addict. I'd have bloody loved to have written an album and dragged him through the mud.

It's remarkable what behaviours some people will excuse because their favourite celeb is doing them.
I always think that on the Katy Price threads as well.

She cheated on her first husband with sex workers. This isn't a poor woman to feel pity for lol. She very much has caused significant pain and harm to partners. The situation with her most recent ex feels quite a lot like karma tbh. Not saying I'd wish that pain on anyone, but if she can dish it out she can take it. I would actually think less of her for trying to paint herself as a victim and expecting the public to conveniently forget everything she's done.

I don't like her or her music. Laughing about having numerous abortions was distasteful, whatever your view on abortion.

It's her own experience and she can talk about it how she wants. She wasn't laughing at the process in general, just what she personally went through. If you don't agree with it, that's fine - otherwise she could then equally accuse you of not being allowed to say it's terrible and traumatic because that wasn't true for her.

Well, neither is douching, withdrawal, 'tip play' and various other practices -- mostly because they are extremely unreliable.
Not so abortion.
And the morning after pill could also be seen as an abortifacient. If people are using methods like that and counting them as terminations, I can see that someone might lose track.