Trans woman in Riot Women! WTF?

[OneBadKitty]

I usually love anything by Sally Wainwright, but what was she thinking by have a trans-woman in a band called Riot Women that is supposed to be full of menopausal women singing about HRT and other female related issues?

How lovely. Just a quick point to say that redefining yourself as a subset of women in order to accommodate men is not at all in the interests of women and kind of proves the point of women on this thread objecting to this man taking a woman’s job on a show about middle aged menopausal women.

Happy virtue signalling!

Telling women they're "womanning" wrong - how very feminism 🙄😁

Btw. This is the somewhere near the bottom of that slippery slope. He is very likely to end up punching a woman to death in the boxing ring for all to see.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5431505-boxing-the-other-one-lin-yu-ting

Well including men in your definition of woman is definitely not feminism - not that we’re actually talking about feminism here. Just women.

we were talking about the one in the programme who appears to be pretty hostile to women.

That character is anything but hostile to women.

I don't accept the premise of' yes we accept you as a woman'.

For a start, if you have a penis, you're not a woman.

It's not at all confusing, except for the bit where you expect people to pretend you're women.

In a show that discusses the multiple rape of a 12 year old child, violent attacks on women, corrupt police, suicide and misogyny the thing you found

Yep. I did. Not being a mean person doesnt equal not standing up to people.

Calling someone i dint know a pervert, however....

We decry the trams movement on here for being aggressive and saying evil things, you are no different

Telling women they have to accept men into the category of woman and going so far as to shoehorn themselves into a subset of women to allow this. How very feminist. Nothing like bowing to the patriarchy and allowing men to define womanhood. That’s true feminism right there. Well done

SW has written a part for a trans actor. A trans actor is playing that part. What next? Cancelling Shakespeare because Juliet is 14?? Shylock's part looks dubious to modern eyes. Elder abuse in King Lear. Please note that Juliet would have been played by a male when written. The premise of this thread is absurd. Unless SW states publicly that she was forced to shoehorn a trans actor into a production where he/she has no valid part, perhaps we could leave her to get on with her job ie making entertaining Sunday night tv with broad appeal at which she is extremely successful.

Standing up to the evil women objecting to a man in what was purported to be a woman’s ‘space’ you mean?

Such a worthy cause - go you.

I haven’t called anyone a pervert. 🤷‍♀️

It really sounds like pp hasn't bothered to watch the show. It makes all their points irrelevant as a result.

Where do we draw the line? I presume that you would like a ban on employing a trans actor in a female role on the BBC even if it's a really tiny peripheral one, with no back story or evangelising?

Other posters have said that they would object to a trans actor being cast in any role, unless the role was about a male to a female transition and it was shown in a very negative light.

The mantra has always been that the objections to trans women are about their access to women only spaces and are just about safety. I don't think any women were put at risk during the filming of Riot Women so the strong reaction on here seems to be due to a visceral dislike of trans women.

Agree. I find this whole thread very patronising towards SW who is one of the most experienced and talented writers working in British telly right now. I think she knew exactly what she wanted to do with that character and how the character was meant to fit into the story and wider relationships. And she definitely knows how to write women.

I very much doubt that Sally Wainwright was pressured into this. This is just wishful thinking on your part.

'The songs were written by ARXX - a punk duo from Brighton made up of Hannah Pidduck and Clara Townsend.

Wainwright said: "They wrote the music and the lyrics, but we also offered them bits - for example, our police advisor, Lisa, came up with the first line 'I'm so depressed, I can't get dressed'.

"So again, we all put little bits in, but ARXX really turned it into their own and brought their fabulous energy to it."'

The duo ARXX who wrote the songs have said that they are are trans inclusive. In an article in Rolling Stone, it says that:

'Having cut their teeth in the DIY punk and feminist scenes of Brighton, ARXX’s Hanni Pidduck and Clara Townsend, who are both in their thirties, produce music that traverses themes of queer love, joy, mental health and trans rights.'

You do Sally Wainwright a disservice by assuming that she holds the same bigoted views as you but was pressured into being inclusive by the BBC.

No. The man playing the backing singer character in the programme is hostile to women.

What “woman’s space”? As someone right at the beginning of this thread observed: it’s a TV programme, not a toilet. I was at university with Sally Wainright - same year, same course and unless she’s changed beyond all recognition in the last 40 years, nobody tells her what to do. She’s thebadass bitch she writes about.

Using the topics of rape and sexual abuse that sadly is very much an experience of many women to berate other women for objecting to an unnecessary man in what purported to be a show about women is a new low.

Apart from PPs claiming that on this thread to defend him being there I haven’t seen any evidence that it was specifically written for a man unless you have?

It would be if that was happening anywhere other than your imagination. It’s blatant distortion of what’s happening.

That’s why I put ‘space’ in quotes. It is metaphorically a women’s ‘space’ as it was a programme clearly marketed as being about mid life menopausal women.

Shoehorning in a man to play a female character is unnecessary to the show and just demonstrates how determined some people are to prevent women having things for us. I have no idea why SW did it but clearly that part of the show is objectionable to a number of women. The only mystery is why some women wish to criticise other women for making their feelings known.

In a show that discusses the multiple rape of a 12 year old child, violent attacks on women, corrupt police, suicide and misogyny the thing you found [jarring]

It was literally what was said. You tell me how that is not using those topics to berate other women for objecting to that man.

Hostile to all women?

Or trans-exclusive women who insist on calling her a man?

Because those things are what the drama is actually about. They’re the context. And the women’s space argument is ludicrous, you’ll be suggesting men shouldn’t watch it next if you carry that to its logical conclusion.

It looks like Sally Wainwright wanted it to be a trans-inclusive ‘space’, even though the key focus is on the experience of cis women.

I’m sure she could have included a storyline for Miranda about the violence that many trans women experience, but maybe Miranda’s quiet presence and inclusion in this group is the story Sally wants for her.