Why does Taylor Swift fall out with everyone?

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I've never known anyone so famous for ditching people and then writing songs about them. Why is she so popular? She seems utterly toxic to me.

OTHER PEOPLE get great publicity and clicks for stirring the shit about her. They can make money out of trashing her.

Unless it comes from her mouth, you should ignore as pathetic nasty exploitive gossip.

I'm absolutely fascinated by the narrative around her I have to say. I have no particular skin in the game - I've liked her music through the years, some more than others, never been to a tour or bought merch or considered myself a 'swiftie'- but the way she's picked apart so thoroughly, is really interesting and really disingenuous.

I like the new album personally, to me it sounds exactly like a Taylor Swift album and I'm absolutely baffled by the idea that it's any more 'cringe' 'millennial' or in whatever way worse than previous albums. Regardless, people are going to have different preferences so whatever - but the WAY some people have reacted to it is unreal. The level of scrutiny and the way every line is picked apart and held up to 1) reflect exactly what she thinks and feels in her real life consistently and 2) mean things there's simply no evidence for it meaning is just far beyond what any other artist gets subjected to I think.

Because she makes a fairly standard metaphor of a dark night to represent a hard time, with the 'opalite sky' (man made - you make your own happiness) as meaning better times she's racist. Because she mentions wanting kids and wanting them to look like their dad, her fiance, she's actually pushing the trad wife agenda and is a white supremacist, because she uses internet slang in a cringey way in a song that is literally about the fact she's not 'cool' and never has been, she's racist again. There's some merch of hers - a necklace - that has lightning bolts on it (referred to in lyrics to one of the songs - an absolute banger IMO) - apparently they're secret SS Nazi symbols.

To the OP's point - the song 'Actually Romantic' on the latest album sounds like it's about someone who hates you and is always making digs about you, and it's like 'aww, it's sweet how obsessed you are with me'. Maybe it's a bit childish, but it's part of a long tradition of this kind of stuff. When male rappers have feuds and release diss tracks about each other, the internet fucking loves it. Taylor isn't unique in this. It's suggested to be about various people - but who knows? It's not like she's naming anyone. And if you think that's a petty, toxic or whatever thing to do then fair enough, but I hope you feel the same about everything from Carly Simon's 'Youre So Vain' to the ongoing 'beef' between Kendrick Lamar and Drake.

I really hate this phrase. No one ever uses the phrase 'he changes his mind more than he changes his underpants'. It's totally misogynistic. And she doesn't, she has always been a democrat and been clear about it. We all can have opinions and then, particularly as we get older, may change them with experience. Thats called maturing. Artists who write their own songs usually use the world around them to have material in their songs. This has always been the case. Taylor just gets hate for it. i rather like that she writes her boyfriend issues up, makes me laugh. i think she is a good, on the whole, role model for young women and I am glad my 11 year old looks up to her.

Surely being willing to change your mind is a good thing?

Surely it is entirely reasonable to support the democrats, but also associate with Republicans, or to support the democrats then realize that you prefer republican policies?

He said "It's a great honor, I think you know, no matter who the president is"

In context, 'no matter who the president is' is doing a lot of work here. He's saying, quite rightly, that it's an honour that the highest office in the country comes to watch the game - because it is, and because he's not stupid and he was directly asked in an interview and is going to give a slick PR answer. But he also directly alludes to the fact that it's an honour because it's the president, 'no matter who that is' i.e. even if the president happens to Donald Trump. That doesn't read to me as a glowing endorsement.

She’s marrying a MAGA cult member.

I find her to be completely disingenuous. She talks about how she gets more stick compared to male artists re her personal life. But Ed Sheeran isn’t writing thinly veiled digs into song lyrics about huge celebs Jake Gylenhaal, Harry Styles etc. Taylor drops tonnes of Easter Eggs specifically to create parasociality. It’s profitable for her. Then she complains about being bitten by the monster she herself has created. No other celeb is dating an uber celeb every couple of years and then bitching about them in number 1 songs. Don’t use the female oppression card, Taylor. It’s diluting.

She’s much more calculating than the image she puts out. Ie rinsing her fans with “special copies” that are no different, releasing re-recorded songs to stop other female artists from hitting records…

Oh great, another Taylor bashing thread.
If you don’t like her or her music just ignore it. Don’t make it your whole personality.
The amount of hate she gets is bizarre.

I suspect one of the reasons she quieter about politics is for safety reasons. People are literally getting killed for their political views in America - if I were her I’d be keeping quiet on that front too.

I gave up trying to understand the Swiftie phenomenon in 2010+, when grown ass women were listening to Love Story as if it defined their lives.

I decided it was one of those things that are 'for other people'.

What are “things like MAGA” ? How wide is the net before you “cut ties” ?

I think very successful people begin to live in a bubble of sycophants, so they can become a bit odd. Also TS has a band of fans that have their ideal view of her and any deviation is frowned upon.

Theres a weird thing in US politics / culture where the President is still the President and regardless of whether you support them, its still an honour to play in front of them.

Its always been curious to see this dual patrotism in action. It is particularly American in nature though we have it to a degree in the UK. Its like being slightly against the Monarchy, but still recognising its an honour to play at Wembley in front of the King and being proud of that. It'd be stupid player who is anti-Monarchy who would publically say 'I'm ashamed to have played for England in front of the King' wouldn't it? Can you imagine?!!!

Its perhaps less with Trump because he's SOOO polarising but its still a thing.

No, he said it's an honour to play in front of the President. Which you can take as an adult being diplomatic, or if you're a child you think it means he's a Trump supporter.

You think he should have said to an audience of billions that Trump is a shithead and he would rather stick pins in his eyes than play in front of him?

He is the president but that doesn’t make it an honour. He was elected in an election that no doubt faced severe foreign interference and he is a vile man. She knows what she’s doing and she’s aligning herself with that because she knows that’s what most popular.

that’s not to mention her treatment of other female artists, Olivia Rodrigo to name one.

He is the president but that doesn’t make it an honour. He was elected in an election that no doubt faced severe foreign interference and he is a vile man. She knows what she’s doing and she’s aligning herself with that because she knows that’s what most popular.

that’s not to mention her treatment of other female artists, Olivia Rodrigo to name one.

He’s not a MAGA cult member.
Repeating it over and over again doesn’t make it true.

How would Taylor Swift be able to 'sit on the fence' politicially and this be accepted? How would it be possible for her to think 'fucking hell they are all a bunch of bellends and I agree with this but not on that' without getting a fuck tonne of abuse?

How would it look different to the comments on this thread?

Bullshit.

releasing re-recorded songs to stop other female artists from hitting records…

What nonsense. She rerecorded her back catalogue to retain control of her own music. If people want to buy it, great. If not, they won't sell.

There isn't a restricted number of female records allowed, you know. Swift isn't singlehandedly creating an impediment to other artists by being prolific.

She's a supremely talented business woman with a great deal of control over her image and her career. Good on her.

And then after releasing those, bought back her masters!

or releases 34 variants of an album to break a record set by Adele, who released one album.

No, it’s not.

she’s doing what makes her palatable to most of America.

look at what she did to Olivia Rodrigo. Absolutely disgusting.

And yes - I know I'm going on, but I really am fascinated by this and may have fallen down the biggest internet rabbit hole about it.

There's people who have always hated her or think not liking her music makes them somehow superior to others, who are loving the opportunity to pick everything apart and make ridiculous claims about her personality and politics based on a few pop songs she's released. Not unusual in itself.

There's also a lot of 'lefty' type people I follow on social media who broadly fell into a group of if not Swift fans, then kind of broadly positive. Who have been coming out with the most unreal takes, all the stuff that's been mentioned in this thread - racist, MAGA, trad wife narrative, etc etc. And a lot of that is probably just their desperation to have 'a take' and pontificate about it on the internet. But it's also such a good example of the left eating itself, these ridiculous moral purity spirals and cancel culture. If EVERYTHING is racist, misogynist, homophobic - then nothing is. It's actually dangerous. If she's not the absolute perfect ally/ advocate then she's evil, and there's no in between.

I actually enjoy a lot of her music. Especially 1989 - midnights.

but I just find her as a person pretty unpalatable. She exploits politics etc to her benefit, treats other artists appallingly and exploits her fans.

Highly creative, artistic temperament, very very unusual lifestyle which inevitably involves a lot of artifice of various kinds, mines life for material, fame since childhood... seems pretty understandable. She's hugely talented.

Does she complain about how she gets treated though? I actually don't think she does at all. She made a comment about how her name can be in the headline of an article, and the article itself is none of her business. She's very aware of her status and actually doesn't ever seem to complain.

I'm not even a fan of hers btw. But i do admire how she handles herself in the public eye.

If as has been written many times she has EUPD I guess it’s par for the course