What are Hamas playing at?

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It’s deeply worrying that Hamas haven’t returned all the dead hostages as agreed. I’ve seen comments saying it’s an impossible task given how Gaza has been reduced to rubble. But if that’s the case, they would have known they had lost the bodies. So why did they agree to return them if they knew they weren’t able to do so?

What is the position of the ICC now US has sanctioned two of its judges?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/09/04/us-uses-icc-sanctions-against-three-leading-palestinian-rights-groups

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/08/20/us-sanctions-two-additional-icc-judges-and-the-courts-deputy-prosecutors

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/07/10/us-imposes-sanctions-on-un-special-rapporteur

and others seem to have been discredited.

Well, we all know that South Africa is rather 'close' to Hamas

www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/08/25/hiding-in-plain-sight-a-playbook-for-combating-hamas-in-south-africa/

You dont have to convince me. I live here and have to deal with our shitty corrupt government everyday.

This is interesting....

Amazing what you find when you scratch below the surface

https://iol.co.za/the-star/news/2025-04-03-diplomatic-storm-sa-accused-of-prior-knowledge-in-hamas-attack/#google_vignette

Yup - Our leaders are getting threatened with US sanctions everyday.

Even one of our telecoms companies are being sued by the US with our President having sat on its board at the time of the Afghan Iraq war between 2005 and 2010.

Iran and its allies are our best friend apparently.

@Ontheedgeofit "Iran and its allies are our best friends apparently"

😮.

There is so much to pick apart here. Again, I would love to reply to you but I know it won’t make a difference because I can see the language you use and I can’t convince you to suddenly understand what’s going on. It’s just upsetting for me and I prefer not to argue about it.

I’m married to an Israeli so I’ve been back and forth - at the moment I’m in Israel.
Did you see what comment I made was deleted? I can’t work out what I said that might have been offensive, I’m very careful not to get personal here… was it about the wrong poster thing?

Ask them how many Jews will live in any future Palestinian country. Ask them how many Jews or Christian’s live in Indonesia, in Iraq, in Saudi. Ask them about that thing that women aren’t allowed to speak in public in Afghanistan. Ask them if they know how many Jews live in the world and what exactly they would do with a “greater Israel” whatever the eff that means. The double standards and vitriol can’t be taken seriously. Does my head in!!

I was totally baffled as to why your post was deleted. 🤔

IMO it was factually correct and you made a good point.

Maybe ask Mumsnet HQ ?

@Jujujudo I don't know what you wrote but someone who disagrees with you will have reported it and mumsnet have taken it down. They have great form for that. I personally think everyone should be able to write whatever they want and let it stand to be read. People will have their own opinions and may not like what they see but nobody has the right not to be offended!

Idk I think the poster should apologise for having a go instead and mixing you up, unlikely as that is.

I had a holiday in South Africa a year ago and every person we spoke to there about local issues was highly critical of their government.

All of your posts I've noticed have been polite.

I would question it with MNHQ and ask a different person to review your post.

Convince me that there is no apartheid and racial segregation? Yeah you'd have a pretty hard time doing that alright when all of the evidence points to the contrary. Apartheid and racial segregation are upsetting I agree. Seeing people treated awfully because they were born Palestinian, denied basic rights because they were born Palestinian, it's upsetting, that's why so many people have been making so much noise about it.

On another note it’s good to have insight from there. I can understand why at times it’s easier to detach from posters who are more removed.

The ruling party is collapsing before our eyes right now. Currently massive scandal with corruption within the police and organised crime syndicates infiltrating all levels of government. Our alignment with Iran and its allies is just another international diplomatic failure. It has been 30 years of rule by the liberation party here and all they have done is steal and make their own people poorer. I hope that these people start exercising their voting rights in a way that will bring positive change to the country.

We used to be the darling of the world. The rainbow nation. That is long gone. Trump didnt even invite our president to Egypt for the signing of the ceasefire deal yet our government thinks that taking Israel to the ICJ puts them in good global standing whilst we visit Iran, harbor sanctioned Russian aeroplanes and have cargo ships that come and go from our naval bases in the night. Our government is only interested in saving itself.

Such a shame that your government is so rotten when the country itself is so beautiful and amazing, plus all the locals we met were so welcoming and nice to chat to. The people deserve so much better.

a comment like this means you know zero about the occupation

the people they were executing were people from Israeli-backed groups who were executing other Palestinians - go and read about the killing of journalist Saleh Aljafarawi and then you might start to understand (that's just one example).

Hmm ... so one set of Palestinians (Hamas) executing other Palestinians for executing other Palestinians ... have I got that right?

I don’t even remember what it was! I don’t understand why things get deleted anyway, I think we are all adults here! Thanks

@CrossChecking when you say there’s apartheid in Palestine - what do you mean? Because in Israel there are 2m Muslims with equal rights, we all live together. Where do you mean? The only segregation I’m aware of is that Gaza and areas under the PA are Jew-free. Other than that I don’t know what you’re referring to. It’s possible I don’t understand your point.

I’ve been wary of saying where I live because I then get attacked by posters and I’m not able to continue a conversation. It’s hard to advocate for your people when you’re battling against such hatred and a lot of misinformation.

Again, you seem to have a very strong opinion on this. If you could give me more info and examples then I can talk about it.