To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

Wrong. Respect for the rule of law is a British value. Unless we want to become a pariah state, we cannot ride roughshod over the international legal conventions we played a part in creating and opt out of being a country in which people seek asylum.

I’ll never understand this- the fact that there are plenty of violent, misogynistic British men is not a ‘gotcha’ justification for allowing thousands of undocumented males in to our country.

I am not concerned by immigration whatsoever other than we treat arrivals humanely, process claims quickly and open up more safe and legal routes.

Wrong. We won't be a pariah. No one cares. Most countries realise there is a problem and are taking steps. We need to start thinking about the people in our own country rather than virtue signalling to people in the world who don't care about the UK's views anyway.

lol at your “watching GB news…grubby bigoted racist Tommy R plants trying to shit stir etc etc.”
Whats the matter, your only recourse any more is to try to insult to think that will work to shut people down.
Bless your sweet heart that you can’t see that doesn’t work any more.
How are things in your safe neighbourhood.

It is possible within the convention and without becoming a ‘pariah state’, Australia for example.

That’s the thing, though - Brexit took away processing centres outside of the UK. The only way to apply for asylum now is by physically being on UK soil. Rebuilding relationships with our European neighbours might help. But stirring up racial hatred is serving Farage’s political aims.

It really isn’t massively overcrowded.

I suspect that the most vocal angry people on this thread would be unable to define an asylum seeker, a refugee and an economic migrant.

Why isn’t it? Because you can see a few fields from an aeroplane window?

Thing is, illegal immigrants are people just like anyone else. The vast majority will be good people. Some of them will be bad people. We can't tell which people born here will be rapists or murderers or thieves, but for some reason I suppose people find it worse that someone came here and then we find out they were bad news.

I think by all means the government should invest in ways to investigate people's backgrounds so you can swiftly deport known wrong 'uns, but don't cut off asylum to everyone 'just in case'.

Yep, couldn’t agree more.

It’s very easy for people to say the influx is harmless when they have no dealings with these people but when they are circulating in your neighbourhood or town it’s a different matter. I was in a supermarket in the dodgy part of town earlier and saw some pretty interesting and rather rude behaviour. I particularly worry about vulnerable and elderly people with more and more unsavoury types knocking about.

Made a decision that I won’t be going back to that particular supermarket.

Whoever they are and wherever they live, they’re in for a shock. Many young people are turning to Reform, maybe some because of social media but others based on their day to day experience. It’s a mistake to label some people’s genuine and founded concerns as bigotry.

Don't be smug. People can see what is happening in their own neighbourhoods by using their own eyes.

I don’t think your concerns are invalid at all. A lot of us believe in migration control and border control. There should also be quicker channels to report individuals who pose risk in the way you’re describing providing they’re convicted of a crime.

What I don’t support is hijacking of the issue and scapegoating by bigots/far right/ Tiny Tommy followers who make it a very unsafe climate for anyone who isn’t white. That’s the reality on the ground from rhetoric like OP is pushing at us. It’s breeding and inciting hate. Causing division in our communities. It’s a level of fear mongering seen throughout history by jingoistic people and when you recognise it it’s your duty to call it out.

I’m so sick of people shouting ‘bigot’ the minute someone expresses concern about something that’s become a significant issue.

The asylum system is broken. More people are travelling by boat to the UK than ever before. Mainly men. Asylum seekers are not some saintly mass and this idea that ALL asylum seekers will be good kind people is bullshit. Bad people lurk everywhere. As in society, there will be bad faith players who will attempt to play the system. Some will be downright dangerous. The asylum system cannot cope, so people who should be ‘processed’ in weeks, are taking years. They melt into society and go under the radar because the asylum system is a completely ineffective machine. People seeking asylum cannot be expected to survive on the limited means that they are currently given, but the current process means that asylum seekers are easily lost, and are not effectively tracked. The gig economy doesn’t help. It’s perfectly valid to say ‘I’m worried about this’ and hope for a decent conversation rather than someone sneeringly belittling you. In recent times, there’s been a significant uptick in assaults on women from men of ‘no fixed abode’ in my locale. It didn’t used to be like that. It’s not wrong to question why that is.

Of course it is. Honestly do you ever go anywhere?

The only person who has mentioned Tommy Robinson is PP who accused other posters of being a fan of him.

Not a thought experiment at all.

A dog-whistle political statement. The only thought going on when you wrote that was to create dissent.

Yes, we need more young people, but wouldn’t it be more sensible and sustainable to encourage and support our indigenous population to have more children, by helping them to secure homes and support childcare, rather than bringing people here from overseas, many of which do not share our culture or have a desire to integrate. You can’t deny that there are some very undesirable people entering unchecked into our country. We have no idea who they are. Where is the benefit to the UK ?

People fleeing persecution are welcome.

People paying smugglers to get them into the country because they think they will have a better life are not welcome.

People waiting for their cases to be decided, and break the law, should be deported.

Lumping people in the same box and accusing them of the same views. Terribly bigoted behaviour I'd say.

The biggest risk to women comes from the men closest to them. The ones painting roundabouts and threatening refugees in hotels are more likely to kill you than most

There are hundreds of millions of people fleeing persecution, it’s very sad but are they ‘all welcome’?

"Create dissent" 🤣. You are on mumsnet?? What do you think is going to happen?