To now be increasingly concerned about illegal boat arrivals

[CalmShaker]

I've kept a level head with boat crossing arrivals but recently I've become concerned that there are some really unpleasant people being let in. This story was hard to watch on the news this evening;

Asylum seeker 'murdered hotel worker Rhiannon Whyte in frenzied attack' - BBC News https://share.google/qxzed2MD19TYPKasQ

I welcome genuine asylum but I don't believe that is what is happening anymore.
The story immediately before the above on national news this evening was the migrant who had threatened Nigel Farrage. I know Nigel is not the most popular of people but the migrant was horrid, clearly dangerous and not safe to be on our streets.
Financial cost and all other factors aside, it's the safety aspect that worry me most.

I’ve looked this up.
1.5% of UC claimants are refugees, despite refugees only making up around 0.7% of the population.

Why don’t you look these things up yourself? Why don’t you want to actually know the facts, numbers, statistics? Why are you so happy to cover your ears?

Not at all - and I don’t feel in any way “superior” not sure why me sharing my views comes across like that? I see the problems, but the danger imo is being exaggerated and magnified. We have a violence against women and girls crisis in this country alone. Why are people not protesting or doing more about it? What about all of the women who face domestic violence from their partners? That’ll outnumber the violence from asylum seekers I’d bet. Don’t see many people up in arms or protesting about that. Again, it’s unconscious racism and I’m sorry you cannot admit that.

I haven’t once denied the dangers or risks, but I’m also rational enough to be able to highlight that it’s being exaggerated. Does that mean we don’t do anything about it? No. But it does not mean every single foreigner is a wrong’un either!

And why are you making so many assumptions about me?

I do read stats actually. I am not sure where you are getting yours from. Of course asylum seekers are going to disproportionately make up more claimants because they’re not allowed to work!!!

I can’t speak on behalf of others on this but I can answer from my view.

when people say why aren’t people protesting against other sorts of violence on women/girls, the difference is, that those cases are usually individual cases / circumstances. So if my neighbour is with a man, who is violent to her, yet she chooses to stay with him, how can a mass protest help that? The majority of violence against women in the UK is domestic which is obviously a completely different scenario. Some are married to their abuser, in a relationship with them, some are even friends with them. Many report the issue to the police then withdraw the complain and stay with them. In those circumstances all that can happen is they are hopefully prosecuted and jailed but they often aren’t in the cases where it’s domestic. The cases that aren’t domestic - well we can’t deport them anywhere if they are from here. Whereas when thousands of unknown men are coming over in the masses, that CAN be stoped. Sexual assaults on random women / children by asylum seekers can be prevented. Groups of unknown men all living together & groups lingering on the streets and preying on drunk women can be prevented. I honestly believe if it was mostly women / children coming over there would not be such uproar about it.

Refugees can work. Stop trying to twist the facts to suit your narrative.

This is a bit nonsensical to me. So don’t protest about MEN abusing their partners and family members because “it’s complex” and “individual cases” err I’m sorry - the common denominator is that abuse is taking place, and that IS wrong!!! No matter how you choose to view it. Domestic violence should not happen, nor should random cases of sexual assault or violence from strangers.

The issue is violence against women and girls in general - whether it takes place in a relationship or randomly… you sound sympathetic to people “at home” compared to “foreigners.” It’s stoking up division and you know it. Prince Andrew knew Giuffre and still abused her - is that different to someone targeting you on the street? It’s still abuse. Double standards.

This isn’t about protecting women and girls for a lot of people… for some it might be, and for others it probably is that plus a hatred towards people who do not originate from this country.

Abuse, violence, sexual assault, rape, murder can happen in many different contexts. That is what I am saying.

What are your other concerns regarding immigrants or is it just the fact that they’re all murderous, sexual predators that stay on benefits?

You do think you’re superior.

You think everyone who is concerned with tens of thousand of undocumented men arriving in their communities are stupid and racist, even though you KNOW their concerns are valid. You have luxury politics.

We don’t want MORE men who are MORE likely to be violent to women. It doesn’t matter if it’s not all of them. They are disproportionately more likely to be perpetrators. To safeguard women and girls, the waves of them arriving needs to be stemmed.

We don’t solve the problem of male violence against women and girls by adding MORE VIOLENT MEN to our communities.

It baffles me when people say "refugees welcome here". Do people actively want our country to be destroyed?

Excuse me? What gives you the right to call me that for sharing my view? How dare you. You’re awful for saying that to someone who disagrees with you - resorting to personal attacks. I’m going to report you because it’s going against Talk guidelines.

It’s as thought people on this thread want this to become an echo chamber for hating on asylum
seekers. They are actually a vulnerable group who are more likely to be alienated and excluded from the community as it is. The perception of danger is often a result of political rhetoric that conflates asylum seekers with criminality.

I’ll be leaving this thread now as I refuse to associate with such hatred and prejudice.

The argument I give is if someone can you a box of Jamie dodgers but only a few were poisoned, would you eat even one of them? Of course not.

Yes

i think if there weren’t so many we would be more sympathetic but we are being played

And the negative consequences on our society they just ignore.

People know that there are rapists of every race. The problem with the grooming gangs is the subsequent cover up and that more girls could’ve been protected if the authorities didn’t fear being labelled as racist or actively protected the rapists. That is why there is a significant difference in coverage. One involves horrific crimes committed by evil people, the other involves horrific crimes committed by evil people and covered up by the police and local authorities.

But as I stated, majority of those domestic cases don’t go to court. So because someone comes into work with a black eye but says she walked into a door, people are supposed to mass protest about it? You know that’s a completely different scenario to a 14 year old child being assaulted by an asylum seeker and jailed for it. It’s not being sympathetic at all to “home” cases, it’s being realistic about what’s preventable from the off.

What kind of response is this - “What are your other concerns regarding immigrants or is it just the fact that they’re all murderous, sexual predators that stay on benefits?”

I think it was clearly stated I don’t think they are all bad. However isn’t a high percentage of male refugees being rapists/ criminals, or going onto claim from the state rather than putting back in enough reason to have concerns?

Since when was it abusive to tell someone that they weren’t quoted in a post and poking fun at their flouncing off?
Poor Peony. I do hope her feelings aren’t too hurt

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I think it is important to bear in mind that we have a worrying amount of people who put the safety of women and girls lower in their list of priorities than their fear that someone, somewhere online might think that they might be a racist.

Inconvenient facts and figures will always be secondary to that. If statistics threaten their worldview, they will insist those statistics are either wrong, or that they might be right but it is wrong to share them. Or just pretend they haven't seen them, and change the subject. Yes, it's narcissistic and cowardly. The problem is these people are generally the same as many of the people making the decisions- enjoying their luxury beliefs with no concerns for the lesser beings who actually have to live with the consequences of their luxury beliefs.

And, @Noodledog , the absolute capitulation of MPs whose constituencies comprise people who have values and priorities at odds with the country. Some may argue, Well, they have a duty to represent their constituents’ interests. But where does that sensibly or morally end? What if all your constituents want to carry knives or guns? Or want to banish Jews? Or ban dogs?

Another incident happened yesterday, 3 people stabbed by an afghan man who arrived here in 2020 and was granted asylum in 2022. He was lodging in someone’s house and he’s attacked them with a knife. Passer-by has stepped in and been killed for it. How can anyone not be concerned about the long list of these horrific incidents?

Do you know what, I’m starting to reflect and change my mind. Politics is about improving the lives of those that live in this country, and I don’t feel my life has improved in any way whatsoever since Labour came in to be perfectly honest… and hearing about how many crimes are being committed by asylum seekers is starting to get on my tits. I would like more focus to be made on curbing inflation and bringing the cost of living down!!!

That’s truly awful

@PeonyPatch I can’t stop thinking about that poor man, all he was doing was walking his dog and tried to help another man and young boy from being attacked. And he was killed for it.

The last I heard of that story was that they were trying to work out if there was a relationship between those attacked and the attacker so I feel very sad about this update… horrible 😢

Same. And Rhiannon before this. Too much.