11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

It cut my title in half - was supposed to say ‘when is our population too high?’

ranked 8th for population density in Europe does not automatically translate to overpopulation

Well not in the sense that it’s a subjective term so anyone can say ‘oh it’s not overpopulated’ and there’s no hard marker to prove them wrong.

Thats just the headline number though.
That’s unlikely to be the net number. .

Where did you get the 11 million figure from?

No, that’s the net number (unless the source I found is wrong). There was nearly a million a year for quite a while so it’s not hard to believe.

And what's your source? 11 million can't be right

Our population has increased by 11 million since 2000. British families haven’t been having enough children to sustain the population for some time now, so it makes sense. If you go to the Office for Statistics online the numbers are there.

It's not just 11 million people have come.

You've also had X people leave.

Then you birth and death. X people died. X people born.

So we didn't just add 11 million people. Slightly misleading.

From ONS :

The UK population at mid-year 2021 was estimated to be 67.0 million, an increase of 3.7 million (5.9%) on the population in mid-2011.

The UK is not overpopulated in the strictest sense, if you drive around there are miles and miles and miles of countryside which is not built upon.

The problem is that immigration tends not to be planned for beyond which jobs we have trouble recruiting for from the native population. So immigrants tend to settle in cities where the jobs are and this puts pressure on specific areas. Infrastructure expansion is not planned for or funded.

Of course, none of that gets away from the fact that massive population changes in a short period of time can have negative impacts on other aspects of life and should be carefully considered in the round.

Well the UK population has increased by approximately 8 million since 2000 so…….

And you think that whole 11 million is immigrants? I think you've had a bit of a mare here and should probably delete this post

Do you have any option on the home countries of these immigrants. Recently I am hearing of more people coming here from SA, USA and Australia. In all cases they are coming here for health care reasons. They often are one UK citizen who moved abroad more than 30 years ago but now have an ailing spouse and want access to NHS. In some cases adult children who have UK passports but have never contributed to this country are coming with their parent. I honestly have no idea what these people can access once here and would like to know. However in all situations their biggest financial concern is how to avoid paying tax on assets or pensions.

Thanks TeenagersAngstGPT

My view is that we have an aging population, and over the coming decades, immigration is the only way we will be able to get enough young people into the country to do all the jobs required to support the economy and keep the pensions going for the huge numbers of OAPs.

Also in terms of population density, the vast vast majority of this country is countryside and not built up. It's hard to believe when you are in a big city. I believe there a a few new towns being built here and there and I imagine that will continue

You’re welcome to look it up yourself, and provide a different source and number, but this is what ONS says.

Did you know each person requires 1 acre to sustain their diet, and we now have more people than acres? So if we couldn’t import food tomorrow, we would probably starve (or a lot of us would). Importing food is disastrous for the environment, and ‘seeing plenty of green from an aeroplane’ is wildly different from having enough land to actually sustain a population.

The ONS says 11 million immigrants have entered the UK since 2000?

You're the one publicly claiming this as fact can you show your source or some evidence?

Why did you begin your post with "sorry"?

She's not sorry I've just clocked her username she's very vocal on the subject of immigration

That made me laugh. I do use ChatGPT but I can promise you I absolutely did not for that post.

I will take it as a compliment.

Why aren’t you just engaging with the debate rather than back searching and trying to derail? Am I wrong about something?

This is the part of the immigration debate which nobody mentions. I think it’s worth mentioning.

Why would anyone from Australia go too the UK for healthcare? I've lived in both countries, healthcare in Oz is better.

I am engaging.

I'm trying to get you to show me your evidence before I report the post

I didn't have to search.