11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

Now they are a lifestyle choice for many and people are outraged at the idea of paying for their own children and supporting themselves.

Indeed! Not to mention wanting to be sponsored for future children when they can't cater to the ones already here.

If you speak up, you're asked "So poor people shouldn't have children??!" Err no! If you can't take care of yourself or the children you already have, why on earth would you want to have any/more children to make them suffer with you? Totally bonkers mindset!

It makes sense that this is being done on a national scale too when we can't even get it right in the family unit.

There is a reason they have made the budget late this year. They are flapping around trying to figure out how to solve a problem without upsetting anyone which is impossible so they may as well rip the band aid off and get on with it.

Agreed! There's no pleasing everyone. Cliché but true. Best thing is to adopt the most practical approach regardless. Just common sense really but politicians are always busy thinking of their pockets and the next elections to actually sort out current issues in the country. No one wants to just serve the country and its people in the here and now. It's all about power strategy.

It’s a long thread, but I’ve read it all and there’s been instances of people discussing

‘the shame of white flight’
‘why can’t it be more white, like the 90s’
‘everybody thinks this, but are too embarrassed to say’
‘SEN is caused by immigrant inbreeding and now 40% of classrooms are SEN kids’
’there are whole institutions of (presumably Sharia) alternative laws we now have to live by in this country’
‘there are classrooms of only boys as immigrants have sex selective late abortions’

and that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head! So to say, none of these posters are racist is disingenuous

I haven't read it all but yes those are shameful and some of them are racist.

Yes exactly

after Brexit it could have stopped but oh no let’s import even more people and have even more of a housing crisis

also when people here training to be Doctor or nurse can’t get a job

why is it so bad to want the UK to be like it used to be before Tony Blair and his stupid policies

How would you suggest the numbers coming into the country are dealt with?

I have. My post was accurate.

”Saying “it’s on the ONS” isn’t citing a source for a figure.

How do you propose to get the UK back to how it was before “Blair [and the Tories] and their stupid policies?”

I don’t know is the answer tbh

I think that ship has sailed unless people want to go the route of stripping Britons of their citizenship (some born and bred here) and commence mass deportations.

But there are definitely things that can be done going forward. I do think using immigration as a fill in for low birth rates is a Ponzi scheme.

Everyone legally here is already here. I don't think deportation is right, except for illegal entry. Doesn't make any sense to strip people of their legal status, be it ILR or citizenship.

Letting more people in though is irrational.

But who can you turn your hatred towards if all the immigrants leave? What will Farage do? I know it’s always single mums, sick people on benefits I suppose. Farage builds his politics on hatred and division.

Your post makes absolutely no sense in response to mine. Perhaps you meant to respond to someone else.

Yes I didn’t mean to quote you there sorry!

@SouthernNights59 you've been deleted. Maybe reflect on that

No worries.

Asked & answered upthread including numerical breakdown and sources

But you’ve changed your number multiple times. Almost like you’re….making it up….from disparate scraps of data….with no clue what you’re doing.

I completely agree. But if you want to encourage women to have more children, that's going to cost money. A lot of it.

We don’t need that either given the workforce in about 18 years.

That's a very privileged view point about health care there. You seem to be making the assumption that people who look after their health won't use the system much - and the people who need it -that it is some how their fault for not looking after themselves that they have developed cancer or some other illness.... Hence, it's ok to have a system where you pay. Completely disagree with that view. I hope that we never get a insurance type system it would be a disaster.

As for benefits about 50% of universal credit is paid to people already in work!! Maybe making employers pay a living wage would help to reduce to benefits bill!!!

I don't care about the immigration numbers to be frank. I do care about the infrastructure of the country and whether immigrants assimilate into the country effectively. On the first point from where I'm sitting this has been neglected for years and years and years by successive governments. While stopping immigration might have a marginal impact to begin with - it is not going to suddenly resolve all these problems. I think people are being hoodwinked into believing that it is the problem by likes of Nigel Farage... just like he conned everyone about Brexit, he is doing it again regarding immigration. Still waiting for Turkey to join the EU nearly 10 years later - what horseshit we were fed

The level of sheer ignorance in this thread is quite something. I hate 2025.

It's silly to say hatred will be targeted towards someone else once immigration is sorted. If that was the case don't you think people would have turned against benefit claimants before immigration even became a problem? Having said that I happen to think that there should be a review of the benefits system. Labour can only squeeze so much out of top earners and tax paid. Then they will have tackle the subject of the benefits/disabilty bill which is getting out of control. Of course the recipients will fight tooth and nail to keep their money because the alternative is not receiving it or reducing it. But it needs to be done.

Can we not just set a population level and say enough? I said up-thread, we need sustainability. We can't keep building, and using more resources that we don't have. We don't have sufficient water, nor energy. We don't have sufficient farming capacity. We have depleted our natural habitats. In essence we don't have enough land to sustain increased population levels.

yes exactly

it not hatred anyway just dissatisfaction with the way things are becoming and how the government or governments haven’t listened

Ok but why? Can you say more on what you mean