11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

Why they’re so desperate to deny that is beyond me.

This is one of those issues which future generations will hugely judge us for not addressing because at the time it served us.

It says in that article "Based on ONS administrative data, annual net migration between 2012 and 2024 totalled an estimated 4.68 million."
And “most migrants come to the UK for periods of only a few years, before emigrating again”

You are not the person to be asking someone for evidence or to back up a claim your figure isn't automatically true until proven otherwise 😂😂😂

Proves a figure for what?

I’ve proved that our population increased by 11 million, and that in many years there were more births than deaths. So how is the population increase of 11 million caused solely by immigrants?

I’m not sure how else to explain it to you other than more births than deaths will lead to a population increase. When someone is born the population goes up by 1. When someone dies the population goes down by 1. If you take the number of births and subtract the number of deaths you are left with a positive number. That means the population has increased.

If you don’t understand that I’m guessing you don’t understand what “net migration” means either?

This has been the case for years though. During ww2 we weren’t producing nearly enough food to sustain the population. We would’ve had mass starvation if it weren’t for rationing. We’ve had 75 years to rectify that and still haven’t.

Im an immigrant, been here 30 years. I’ve paid tax all this time, never got benefits. I know of a British born person who has never worked, has 2 children, got herself a good benefits lawyer. Never worked, children go to state-paid private schools because SEN whilst indulging in very expensive hobbies as a lifestyle choice. Go figure. But I’m the bad guy here?

The narrative is incredibly strong, but I think it’ll drop pq as AI changes things. Plus I agree on keeping the nature we have.

On the contrary, you see the impact of immigration on demand for public services.

You’ve massively missed the point of the thread. We’re not discussing immigrants being work shy layabouts, we are discussing the impact of overpopulation on a relatively small island country, which would be the case even if every last person worked.

You are completely ignoring who are responsible for those births though.

Ok fair enough. Maybe let’s deport people who have never paid tax? Thst should get population down a fair bit.

What does this mean?

Happy to see some statistics then?

If the excess births are down to immigrants who choose not to integrate and despise western values like tolerance of gay men or the existence of women's rights, and teach their kids to be the same, then it might as well all be immigrants.

In any case the truth (as measured by government stats) is irrelevant.

Don't get me wrong, I like logical decisions based on an analysis of the data, but we are well beyond that.

Fact is, whatever the truth about precise numbers, a massive chunk of the population think we have too much immigration and lots of bad immigration and no amount of data is going to convince them otherwise. Because when they walk down the high street it looks nothing like it did 10 years ago, let alone 30.

You can try to convince people that their perception of life in the UK is wrong, but you will fail, and all the time you tell people they're idiots for believing stats like OPs you will see Farage's (spit - disgusting grifter) popularity rise still further.

Where would you report hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of British citizens to? That’s not an option. Curbing immigration is.

Presumably that it’s immigrants having babies (and immigrants not dying I guess?). Will await their data to back it up.

But immigration and labour’s policies is making it much worse. Saying we have had to import food for decades doesn’t make the fact we have to import far more better

*the impact of years of underfunding and running down of public services

THIS 100%

We import more food partly because our tastes & culinary habits have altered over the last 100 years!

You think immigrants don’t have babies? I look forward to your data to back that up.

So it doesn’t matter if what people think is factually correct or not, we should just accept it and act on those views as if they were factually correct? I think that was tried in Nazi Germany actually….

Immigration is what is needed - supports an aging population - who do you think is going to fund your state pension and look after you when you need help?

But that’s irrelevant surely? We can’t go back and change that failing by successive governments. We’re in the here and now, so need to work with the situation we now have, which is an infrastructure that’s on its knees, and which is going to take many years to be fixed.

Haha...the fact that you think the British born population could ensure smooth running of this country's public services is laughable.