11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

Clogged roads, packed public transport, high housing costs and ever less open space and countryside does, however.

Have you got a source for this claim - I would like to see it. Thanks

Just checking... so then Brits should also not be allowed to emigrate? Cool.

Thats a failure of infrastructure planning & investment.

It is clearly not going to be the unskilled migrants is it? Or the large numbers of others who do not work but just add to our tax burden.

Good luck with that!

Do you think other countries should remove all their immigration laws and let us access their benefits systems too?

Stay in their own countries and try to improve things there?

Yes, I'm guessing my request will be ignored, but I will wait a bit and see if evidence can be supplied.

OP… tell me you support Fartage & the far right…that’s probably where you got your crazy figures from. Better go & check your flag hasn’t blown away in the wind.

Whether other countries do or do not accept UK citizens is nothing to do with us. Who we let in is our choice.

I do not advocate not allowing Brits to emigrate, but if they're doing so to aoid tax there should be a clawback if they ever choose to return.

That's... not how the population count works.

More older people LIVING longer because in previous cohorts the older generations died sooner.

These older people now were not the existing older people then - they were the younger working aged population. Then as they have aged and more babies are born and yes some migration, the population has grown instead of staying at static levels.

Think of it as one in (born or migrated) and one out (died). The one's out are fewer therefore creating the bulge.

I think that's why the government have proposed stopping people bringing family members. Some brought grandparents, parents etc and many don't contribute adding to problems with care, NHS etc. Come to work, but really do we need all the family too, unless people agree to pay for them. That seems reasonable.

We don’t necessarily need immigrants to do these jobs, but we need to make the jobs more attractive to people already here. There are many unemployed people who could go into these jobs. Caring for our elderly is an important job, and people doing the role need to have more training, better pay, have at least basic qualifications. As it stands too many people are in the roles who do not provide good care because they’re uneducated, minimum wage and unsuitable for caring roles. They’re in them because generally, the employers have difficulty attracting people and so it’s people who are doing it because of the minimum skills required. Until recently, when I’ve had experience of having relatives in these care homes, I’d no idea just how bad the standard of care is in these places.

No it isn't - the destruction of the countryside is unavoidable as the population rises.

Besides which, if, decade after decade, we cannot plan and invest in infrastructure we need to reduce immigration to the level that a failing country can accommodate and not pretend we are competent.

When I lived and worked in another country and had my first child I couldn't even get maternity pay let alone access to any benefits.

You’ve misunderstood the data OP.

Im guessing you’re referring to the table which shows population GROWTH is roughly 11 million since 2000, it’s explained right under the link to the data set that “Changes in the size of the UK population are mainly determined by international migration, births and deaths.”

Here is the number of births and deaths annually in the UK from 2000-2021, and it does not show that every single year deaths are higher than births. In some years the number of births is substantially higher, to take a random year as an example in 2012 there were 812,970 live births in the United Kingdom, and 569,024 deaths.

Not sure if you’re being deliberately goady, or you just can’t get your head round all the big numbers?

Link for my post: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/datasets/vitalstatisticspopulationandhealthreferencetables

You’ve picked a high birth year, are there some with high deaths? It probably is possible to work out if the years are available and how much is from immigration v births / deaths ratio.

“Last year, there were over 25,000 applicants for fewer than 13,000 available places, and 58% of these applicants were trained abroad. This year, the number of applicants has risen to over 33,000, with 63% coming from doctors trained outside the uk.”

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2025-05-07/bma-we-could-potentially-see-thousands-of-unemployed-doctors

Can you produce a figure, given we have accurate numbers of net migration per year since the early 90s, to account for the rise purely from immigration since 2000?

If somebody does that, I will happily be proved wrong.

Covid years are also presumably high death

We ARE very densly populated compared to France, Germany, Spain. Just because we have some green space left doesn't negate that FFS. We are not self sufficient in food stuffs, we are the MOST nature depleted country in Europe as well, due to that loss of habitat.

There is a limit to what a country can sustain.

Take Scotland out of the UK, and the figures for England are even more horrendous. England on its own is massively fucked on all natural measures. Space, food, nature, water, infrastructure.

Walk into any school or hospital and you'll see why you bloody need immigrants 🙄

Mass unemployment is coming down the line with AI. It's already happening.

I'm always amazed that people who say we need immigration because of an aging population seem to be oblivious to the 987,000 NEETS (young people not in education, employment or training). See Office for National Statistics. This is up 100,000 since last year.

Getting young people Into work is a hugely difficult task. But the present situation is unsustainable and a disaster for our society.