11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

And yes I checked FullFact and ONS as I know websites like Migrationwatch can be misleading and use disinformation.

AI will change things. It’s a bit of a Ponzi scheme otherwise, how do you get out of the we need to increase as they age issue? It’s very difficult but AI removing jobs might be the new issue.

As suspected, absolute horseshit

My bigger concern is that with the amount of men coming here, men will seriously outnumber women for an entire generation and what impact will that have?

Please say why? And produce your own figure, to prove me wrong.

I see this a lot with older people in my line of work ( benefits). They've been in living in Spain for years then start getting health problems so come home. Invariably house prices have risen hugely in the years they've been away and they can't buy so looking for housing, housing benefits etc. I guess they've often paid taxes here for many years though so not like they haven't contributed.
The situation ( that I also see a lot) that makes me most annoyed though is elderly unwell men in their sixties and seventies bringing over young wives ( often in their 20's) form India and Pakistan to be their carers. These young women can't work, and whilst they can't get benefits until they get indefinite leave to remain, the husband can still start claiming benefits for the kids. They always seem able to father a couple of kids with this new wife whilst being disabled enough to need a carer. The women are stuck with not much english and unable to work. If the husband dies they have very limited language and job opportunities.

Now look at population density for England. The Scottish highlands distort the figures.

The world is changing and population is shifting. Where would you like potential immigrants to the UK to go instead?

Even if immigration was stopped tomorrow people are still going to be angry until this is sorted, only at the moment they have a perceived acceptable source to blame. And in fact they might get more annoyed when they find there is no one to do the jobs in the NHS and caring services.

It really does annoy me how all our problems are blamed on immigrants rather than successive governments failures..

O you honestly believe that all these “extra” people are going to be working? What jobs? NHS? Women from certain communities do not work, neither do their daughters. And the men certainly won’t be wiping bums in care homes. Also everyone grows old. The problem of pensions/care doesn’t end when the current horrid old waste-of-space boomers have popped their clogs (others’ opinion of them)

As for the countryside… er, farming? Food? Much of it moorland, mountainous, hard rock, marshy… And if you build over, say, Wiltshire, where are people going to work? Are they all just going to sit in new-builds claiming benefits?

Absolutely. It’s happening in plain sight, and I think it’s going to be the ‘new’ problem the government are going to have to address. My industry is being hugely compromised by AI. From advertising many roles several years ago, we’re now adverting nothing. Voluntary redundancies are no more. Now it’s compulsory ones.

I don't know the figure. But I'm not the one claiming my "easily worked out" figure is a fact. Just because I don't know (a brief Google suggests you're wrong from multiple sources) it doesn't make your figure true FFS 😂

If you look at the population pyramid, it's actually older age groups who are increasing the numbers. Immigrants are almost all working age and necessarily filling the gap. The vast majority are either students or people who are working in your local hospital or hotel or construction site and doing valuable jobs.

It’s such a worry isn’t it.

People seem to think a garden and local park is enough, they have no clue about our farming needs and the impact of this on our wildlife

The recorded figures show

The population of England and Wales continued to grow in the year to mid-2024, reaching an estimated 61.8 million people (61,806,682). The size of the population increased by 706,900 (1.2%) from mid-2023.30 Jul 2025

Undocumented people would just be a guess though.

Some of that population growth is due to people living longer.

Off the top of my head net migration since 2001 is more like 5-6 million.

The older generations are bigger but they were here pre-2000 so haven’t added to the rise.

They could employ some of the thousands of uk trained doctors who have been left unemployed this year as a result of giving equal priority to any doctor who wants to move here.

Ok. So net migration started as 100,000 in the early 90s and rose to a peak of 800,000 just after Covid. Even if it had stayed 100,000, then 30 years of this would be 3 million. Let’s say the average in this time was 300,000, and that’s a conservative estimate. That’s 9 million people.

"Even if" "Let's say" are not indicators of fact

I’m not sure. I do know they paid privately in Australia for tests, etc. They also want to
die here and not in Australia. Which I can sympathise with but as I say can they just “slot” back in to NHS care? I think the answer is yes.

For elderly Americans who may have to
pay here it will still be less costly than in the states.

We’ve also seen a dramatically aging population. Less babies are being born and more people are aging with longer lifespans. This has led to many gaps in society more people are retiring out of the workforce that aging in. Who is going to those jobs and pay the taxes that keep society going and fund the pensions. Also all those people who are growing old and frail need the be cared for. There is more pressure on the nhs and demand on the caring professions. We need immigrants to do those jobs and pay the taxes to fund them.

There’s no easy answer to that. Maybe more education about the reality of what’s awaiting them here. People coming in who have no skills or no command of the English language are going to end up potentially jobless or exploited or living on the streets. I recall watching something some time ago where some immigrants were being interviewed who weren’t aware of the reality, having been sold the dream, and that they wouldn’t have come here had they known.

We haven’t been able to feed ourselves for decades but Labour seems intent on undermining food production completely.

Yep. How to tax AI replacement, that’s the biggie. Plus what to do if there’s too many unemployed. Immigration and always increasing won’t be the main driver.