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“We need to stop importing people who hate us”

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OneAmusedShark · 03/10/2025 21:13

Overheard an older couple of Caribbean couple talking about the Manchester attack on the train earlier and one of
them used this phrase.

Someone else (who was getting off at the time) shouted at them “You can’t say that! It’s hate speech!”

I didn’t get involved.

Was it hate speech?

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SquashedSquashess · 05/10/2025 19:09

It is true, and it is what fuels so many people’s concerns about immigration (mine included).

It doesn’t mean banning Muslims, I have Muslim family members who are perfectly moderate and peaceful.

But we need to have a better system of assessing motivations for immigration, alignment with our values, and a much more rigorous integration programme (language and culture). Of course, Britain has no money, so that won’t happen.

As a result, it is perfectly easy for individuals with extremist religious views to enter this country, lie low, and inflict devastating violence when the time comes to strike.

7/7, the murder of Lee Rigby, Manchester Arena, London Bridge, Borough Market, Fishmongers’ Hall, the murder of MP David Amis, and now last week’s Yom Kippur attack.

I can name those off the top of my head. I would struggle to name a terror attack carried out by any other affiliate group other than the equally tragic murder of MP Jo Cox (by a member of the far right).

8-1. Off the top of my head.

There is a pattern, and we need to be able to talk about and address it. Until we can, we risk the Balkanisation of our politics, with people fracturing across ethno-nationalist lines, which would be dreadful and have unthinkable consequences for our nation (the nation we all, regardless of skin colour, religious belief or heritage, share).

BundleBoogie · 05/10/2025 19:10

JHound · 05/10/2025 17:11

“Pattern recognition” - my dogs ears are bleeding.

Pattern recognition is a basic cognitive function used for successfully navigating life and learning.

How strange that you reject the concept so firmly. Do you just keep making the same mistakes over and over again?

CunningLinguist2 · 05/10/2025 19:13

KTheGrey · 03/10/2025 22:03

America deals with this quite simply - you swear allegiance to the flag. I guess for the UK it’s King and country. But in both cases what it really signifies is not attacking your neighbours in the same country, whatever their background.

And no America s habitually shoot each other & weekly school shootings aren’t a thing so it must work… 🙄

KTheGrey · 05/10/2025 19:39

CunningLinguist2 · 05/10/2025 19:13

And no America s habitually shoot each other & weekly school shootings aren’t a thing so it must work… 🙄

Ever considered that there are concatenations of circumstances that result in those kinds of outcomes? Or has oversimplification and eyeroll emojis exhausted your intellectual repertoire?

OneDearWasp · 05/10/2025 19:53

KTheGrey · 05/10/2025 19:39

Ever considered that there are concatenations of circumstances that result in those kinds of outcomes? Or has oversimplification and eyeroll emojis exhausted your intellectual repertoire?

I dont know what this means. Sounds posh though.

Also. I'm not sure that swearing allegiance to the King or whatever would help. A bit like when I went to the States and was asked in an immigration questionnaire if I'd ever been a member of the communist party. I was clever enough to tick "no" even though I have a tattoo of Karl Marx on my bottom.

KTheGrey · 05/10/2025 20:18

OneDearWasp · 05/10/2025 19:53

I dont know what this means. Sounds posh though.

Also. I'm not sure that swearing allegiance to the King or whatever would help. A bit like when I went to the States and was asked in an immigration questionnaire if I'd ever been a member of the communist party. I was clever enough to tick "no" even though I have a tattoo of Karl Marx on my bottom.

I naively believe most people are good and decent and want to live in peace and security. But we have to stand up and say so.

It has to be us.

CunningLinguist2 · 06/10/2025 10:18

KTheGrey · 05/10/2025 19:39

Ever considered that there are concatenations of circumstances that result in those kinds of outcomes? Or has oversimplification and eyeroll emojis exhausted your intellectual repertoire?

Oooooh, someone has their dictionary out on a Monday morning. Darling, you amuuuuuuse me 🙄(An extra emoji for ya, as I'm busy now)

50Balesofgrey · 15/12/2025 23:14

Complet · 03/10/2025 21:18

Get some noise cancelling headphones, read a book, or listen to a podcast in order not to have to listen to other people’s conversations. You could even use that time to read a variety of material to form your own opinions on what is hate speech so you don’t have to ask an internet forum in order to know what to think? Just an idea.

Twat

CurlewKate · 16/12/2025 05:31

I never overhear anything good. How do other Mumsnetters do it? And they always remember every word too….

tuvamoodyson · 16/12/2025 05:53

BarbaraHavers · 03/10/2025 21:37

😂😂😂🙄

…then there would be no Mumsnet! ‘Would you/Should I report this person? Would you be offended if someone said this to you? ‘Am I being sensitive?’ ‘Were they being racist?’ So many people having to ask random strangers on an internet forum what they should think or feel!

KilliMonjaro · 16/12/2025 06:10

KTheGrey · 03/10/2025 22:03

America deals with this quite simply - you swear allegiance to the flag. I guess for the UK it’s King and country. But in both cases what it really signifies is not attacking your neighbours in the same country, whatever their background.

Yeah because no one ever attacks anyone in America! Give me fucking STRENGTH!! 🙄🙄🙄

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