Page 2 | “We need to stop importing people who hate us”

floppybit · 03/10/2025 23:08

No, of course it wasn’t hate speech

NebulousWhistler · 03/10/2025 23:41

Crowde · 03/10/2025 22:51

I think we need to be honest about a difficult reality…many parts of the world hold values and societal norms that are fundamentally incompatible with those of the UK. I would love to believe that every human being is inherently good, but that simply isn’t true. In far too many societies, practices like child marriage and the routine abuse of women are not just tolerated but normalised. These views are upheld, not by fringe extremists, but by ordinary people.

It is not acceptable for those attitudes to be imported here. We have fought too hard and come too far in terms of women’s rights to allow misogynistic norms to take root in our society. Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country.

I say this as a British Sikh woman. I am not islamaphobic nor am I seeking approval by appeasing anyone (as I am often accused of when I share my views online).

And quite frankly, I am tired of the middle class tendency to posture and virtue signal under the guise of compassion. This superficial moralism may make some people feel enlightened, but it does nothing to protect women.

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Yep this. And the -typically left wing- pearl clutchers who immediately deem people with this perfectly reasonably opinion to be Islamophobic are part of the problem.

SquirrelDreams · 03/10/2025 23:50

And the fact that they are Caribbean is relevant how? Is it your insurance against being called racist?

So how are you going to decide who hates you and who doesn't? Unless someone is traceable vocal about it and has left a trail of hate filled writings somewhere how would you know?

Lectei · 03/10/2025 23:54

It’s a sensible comment and one which the government needs to ponder - but they won’t - which is why Reform are leading in every poll (and literally gaining traction every day)

CrispsPlease · 04/10/2025 00:33

It's a sensible view point.

On a side note.... What the fuck has the fact they're "Carribbean" got to do with the price of fish ?

Or did you think black people all have a hive mind and will instantly support all immigration? (Even though they could very well have been as British born as your next average white ass Brit )

May9 · 04/10/2025 00:54

I wish we could find a way to make sure we admit people who would really love to escape the often regressive environments they come from, rather than people who want to bring those attitudes here. All those men coming over from horrifically misogynistic countries, I'm sure many of the women they leave behind would love the chance to come here instead.

cityanalyst678 · 04/10/2025 07:01

clipboardz · 03/10/2025 21:35

I am of an age where I remember the IRA attacks in the U.K.

What's that got to do with the OP

Exactly. They hated us as well.

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 04/10/2025 07:10

Crowde · 03/10/2025 22:51

I think we need to be honest about a difficult reality…many parts of the world hold values and societal norms that are fundamentally incompatible with those of the UK. I would love to believe that every human being is inherently good, but that simply isn’t true. In far too many societies, practices like child marriage and the routine abuse of women are not just tolerated but normalised. These views are upheld, not by fringe extremists, but by ordinary people.

It is not acceptable for those attitudes to be imported here. We have fought too hard and come too far in terms of women’s rights to allow misogynistic norms to take root in our society. Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country.

I say this as a British Sikh woman. I am not islamaphobic nor am I seeking approval by appeasing anyone (as I am often accused of when I share my views online).

And quite frankly, I am tired of the middle class tendency to posture and virtue signal under the guise of compassion. This superficial moralism may make some people feel enlightened, but it does nothing to protect women.

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They are called luxury beliefs. You get the luxury of sounding politically correct/virtuous because you are insulated from the reality or you think you will never personally experience the downside. Same with women campaigning for male sex offenders in women's prisons - won't affect them, so they get the luxury of adopting the popular/convenient belief.

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 04/10/2025 07:12

May9 · 04/10/2025 00:54

I wish we could find a way to make sure we admit people who would really love to escape the often regressive environments they come from, rather than people who want to bring those attitudes here. All those men coming over from horrifically misogynistic countries, I'm sure many of the women they leave behind would love the chance to come here instead.

It's not just men, lots of women also have these cultural attitudes

CoffeeCantata · 04/10/2025 07:28

Agrumpyknitter · 03/10/2025 21:25

So how do you know which of the brown people have been ‘imported and hate the country’ or do you not care?

Unfortunately there are extremists and people full of hatred that target the innocent. From all backgrounds.

I am of an age where I remember the IRA attacks in the U.K.

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But that’s exactly the point. This couple, who were presumably descended from post-war immigrants themselves, were understandably angry that the UK seems to have allowed in people of very ill will in more recent years.

I completely get what they meant. My attitude has always been “come to this country if you’re coming with good will and you like the UK, and welcome to you!’

If you hate this country, its different people and it’s different values, bugger off!

Simple.

CoffeeCantata · 04/10/2025 07:29

It’s, not it’s. Autocorrect.

1457bloom · 04/10/2025 07:31

People should be allowed to say what they want it’s called freedom of speech.

RingoJuice · 04/10/2025 07:31

Is it hate speech if it’s true?

Snorlaxo · 04/10/2025 07:31

They expressed themselves perfectly. They didn’t put a label on his group like their skin colour or religion because they clearly understand that hateful criminal types come in all sorts of background.

FrauPaige · 04/10/2025 07:33

KTheGrey · 03/10/2025 22:03

America deals with this quite simply - you swear allegiance to the flag. I guess for the UK it’s King and country. But in both cases what it really signifies is not attacking your neighbours in the same country, whatever their background.

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In the naturalization process - the process necessary to become a British citizen - you take the Oath of Allegiance to the Monarch, and the Pledge or Loyalty to the UK, it's freedoms, rights and values.

I wouldn't reference the USA as a model for immigration or mass violence incidents however

defrazzled · 04/10/2025 07:35

@Crowde 👏

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 04/10/2025 07:39

SquirrelDreams · 03/10/2025 23:50

And the fact that they are Caribbean is relevant how? Is it your insurance against being called racist?

So how are you going to decide who hates you and who doesn't? Unless someone is traceable vocal about it and has left a trail of hate filled writings somewhere how would you know?

I'm thinking this didn't happen but it's a way of saying..why are we importing people that hate us.
We import,goods,raw materials, livestock etc but we don't import people.

nowinetimeforme · 04/10/2025 07:44

Great idea! How do you tell which ones hate us? This particular person came as a young g child so do we think he ‘hated us’ already when he arrived?

TheCurious0range · 04/10/2025 07:44

KTheGrey · 03/10/2025 22:03

America deals with this quite simply - you swear allegiance to the flag. I guess for the UK it’s King and country. But in both cases what it really signifies is not attacking your neighbours in the same country, whatever their background.

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That doesn't work though for the US though does it, or there would be no ideological based attacks/incidents.

Blusteryskies · 04/10/2025 07:45

Crowde · 03/10/2025 22:51

I think we need to be honest about a difficult reality…many parts of the world hold values and societal norms that are fundamentally incompatible with those of the UK. I would love to believe that every human being is inherently good, but that simply isn’t true. In far too many societies, practices like child marriage and the routine abuse of women are not just tolerated but normalised. These views are upheld, not by fringe extremists, but by ordinary people.

It is not acceptable for those attitudes to be imported here. We have fought too hard and come too far in terms of women’s rights to allow misogynistic norms to take root in our society. Men who have been socialised in environments where violence and subjugation of women are everyday realities should not be given free rein to bring those mindsets into this country.

I say this as a British Sikh woman. I am not islamaphobic nor am I seeking approval by appeasing anyone (as I am often accused of when I share my views online).

And quite frankly, I am tired of the middle class tendency to posture and virtue signal under the guise of compassion. This superficial moralism may make some people feel enlightened, but it does nothing to protect women.

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I think this is very well said, and I agree with a lot of what you say. However let's not pretend that it's only men from ethnic minorities who abuse and subjugate women. White men abuse, batter and rape women and children too. It's often framed as though rape and domestic violence weren't an issue until people of colour arrived. A man could legally rape his wife in this country until the 90s.

Violence and the subjugation of women isn't acceptable in this country, but it is certainly wide spread and hidden. We criticise other countries, but at this point rape is pretty much legalised in this country with less than 5% of rapists being prosecuted.

Case in point - the awfully cringey interview with the Falkirk councillor who knew all about a rape in her town committed by an asylum seeker, but nothing about the two rapes committed by white Scottish men during the same time period in her town. Violence against women and girls is a global issue, and men of all colours and creeds are guilty of perpetuating it.

TheCurious0range · 04/10/2025 07:46

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 04/10/2025 07:12

It's not just men, lots of women also have these cultural attitudes

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But they don't tend to enact them violently

DeafLeppard · 04/10/2025 07:48

I agree with the sentiment expressed - it’s entirely reasonable to expect people coming here to sign up to common values and behave accordingly.

I also think that if you’ve been here 5+ years, it’s not unreasonable to expect to commit to citizenship.

BlueandPinkSwan · 04/10/2025 07:51

OneAmusedShark · 03/10/2025 21:13

Overheard an older couple of Caribbean couple talking about the Manchester attack on the train earlier and one of
them used this phrase.

Someone else (who was getting off at the time) shouted at them “You can’t say that! It’s hate speech!”

I didn’t get involved.

Was it hate speech?

Totally agree and the shouter needs to fuck right off.

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 04/10/2025 07:51

TheCurious0range · 04/10/2025 07:46

But they don't tend to enact them violently

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OK but they still support that violence, agree with the oppression of women and don't have tolerant values

HedwigEliza · 04/10/2025 07:53

It’s not hate speech, it’s the truth.

He came here from Syria, got given a new life, a council house, an education and this is the thanks we get in return.