To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

It's even stranger when you consider that Pakistani is a recent construct dating back less than 100 years to its foundation in 1947.

Words mean what the law and/or the whole cultural discourse agrees they mean. In addition English is pretty mixed up - I am English because I was born and bred in England, not Scotland Ireland or Wales, but ethnically I am Welsh, Scottish, English, Scandi and Basque.I have extended family members with different, wider world ethnicities. Hence, Humpty Dumpty, a person can be English whatever their ethnicity. Unless you have buy in for your definitions from the whole cultural discourse and I would say you have not.

Also my passport says UK, the world’s least easy to change to an adjective nationality, because the UK is Wales England Scotland and Northern Ireland but Great Britain doesn’t include NI. Sigh. We are so not America.

I'm not going to deny anything that I've said.
What would you like me to repeat for the record?

Yes Palestinian is more fuzzy.

To me ‘English’ just means you were born and grew up here, and that England has had the greater impact culturally on your life than anywhere else. It isn’t dependent on skin colour.

Most people in England are Anglo-Saxon, which is an ethnicity.

And? I dated a Japanese guy that was a quarter Korean. Does this mean that Japanese as an ethnicity is not real?

It’s honestly just as silly as saying sex isn’t real because intersex people exist.

Well said

If ANY fundamentalist Christian group had the kind of reach and power that radical islamists have then too bloody right would most of us be calling them out.

But they don't. They don't have that reach and power in the UK (they do in some US states) so they are not the problem WE have to deal with.

Our problem is radical Islam and the importation of beliefs and values which have no place in our liberal democracy.

The useful idiots, marching with their "made in china" Keffiyeh, Queers for Palestine banners and calling for a Caliphate wouldn't last two minutes under the Islamic rule of law they are calling for - any more than they would under a rule of law decided by bonkers evangelical Christians.

I am sick and tired of the islamophobia expressed everywhere. I am muslim and most of us are decent people who do not sympathise with terrorist organisations like Hamas. Even on the express site which is a right wing paper like the daily fail, we can see more than HALF of muslims do not support terrorist organisations. I am sorry for the people murdered yesterday but please stop with the islamophobia and bigotry

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1885871/british-muslims-support-hamas-israel-war

Why are you now making this about mixed heritage people? You haven't been able to answer what I said one iota. Instead you've tried to turn it into being about people of mixed heritage in a clumsy attempt to deflect from the abject nonsense you were wittering on about. You were trying to say that a white european baby born in Pakistan would by default be Pakistani and would be accepted as so without question, would be just as Pakistani as anyone whose DNA, heritage and culture was the culmination of many hundreds years of embedded ancestry.

Nobody seems to have problems in saying they’re the indigenous people and as such are inherently entitled to the land and full say over who goes there and what happens to it. Replace ‘Palestinian’ with ‘indigenous Brits’ and you’ve got something from the Reform handbook.

I actually don’t know how to answer this. I mean if his personal identity is English then that’s his identity. I identify as English but because I grew up within a Jewish community I also identify as Jewish culturally as well. I don’t think if anyone asked me where I was from I’d say anything other than English. Saying that, my children are half Yemenite and I guess i don’t look English to others because they always say, yes but where are you originally from? I’m third generation English, so I’m English. But if pushed I sometimes say I’m Jewish. Again, that’s the result of having a diverse society isn’t it? It’s like people presuming that Jews are white, when there are brown and black Jews too. It’s education, listening, being open and accepting and trying not to get offended if someone is trying to understand.

It's so funny isn't it, this US lecturing trend. Look at those supposed patriots kowtowing the Elon Muskrat on the March. The organisations trying to influence our culture with their money.

It's like that BBC program about Texans forsaking godless America to become Russian Orthodox converts.

Everyone should read the book recently published: Vassal State, about how US is trying to influence us.

I honestly don’t think reposting an Express article which shows nearly half of Muslims support Hamas, is in your best interests.

I don’t need to get a grip?
The poster I was replying to does.

Pakistan's only been around since 1947, remember

My point is most of us don't and my thoughts are with the Jewish community

It's so American to want to force everyone into rigid little boxes.

It’s a bit like areas of Russia and Eastern Europe where borders constantly changed. Most Palestinians are originally from Egypt, Syria and Jordan, and those borders changed at various points in history.

Why was this your first sentence though? I haven’t seen Islamophobia here.

Japanese are very exclusive in that they're sceptical any foreigner can become properly Japanese. I wouldn't like to be just like them, more controls on migrants, yes.

What?

46% is a very high number. It may not be the majority, but it nearly is. Can you see why this does not go down well with the British public? If, for example, 46% of Brits thought British Muslims should be deported (to where is anyone’s guess), would you find that a worryingly high number?

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HarrietPierce · Today 14:22
Verv ·
"Ah yes, the UN, always reliable.
They given out any of the food thats been stockpiled in Gaza yet or are they still kicking their heels refusing to collect it and pretending that Israel is preventing aid from getting through."

You are just spouting Israeli propaganda there.

No you're spouting Hamas propaganda.

You are ridiculous now.

Where is “here”, please? Do you mean this thread or where you live (sorry, have read all of your comments).