To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

I haven't read the full thread so apologies if it has already been posted. The family of the terrorist put out a statement condemning the anti-semitic attack carried out by their son. There were no if's or but's in their statement. We should all condemn the attack without feeling the need to add a caveat to it.

It's not the Government stopping them is it. It's oppressive culture that does not align with British values of freedom and security.

Admittedly I am still working my way through this (in parts, absolutely disgraceful) thread. I concur with you wholeheartedly and as I have stated on other threads about antisemitisim in the UK, it is endemic, Mumsnet is riddled with it.

The fact of the matter is that antisemitism has been on the rise for decades now, and the past 23 months have further inflamed the situation. Many have used what is happening in Israel and Gaza as a justification for conflating Israeli foreign policy/government, with Jews full stop.

There is also a huge misunderstanding about radical Islam. Hamas will not be satisfied until not just the Middle East is free from Jews, but the rest of the world too. And once they've removed Jews, they will come for anyone else who does not follow Islam. And for those shouting genocide in Gaza, no, no it is not. If Israel would have wanted a genocide, every single Gazan would be dead long along. I do not think many on here do understand now only how much all Palestinians hate Jews, but, well, pretty much anyone who is not a radical like themselves. Just look at what is going on in Nigeria, way more Christians have been killed than Gazans. That really is a genocide.

The media is culpable for what happening in Manchester yesterday as well as the endemic antisemitism in the UK. There is huge bias in their reporting about Gaza and pro-Palestine. And then there is Mark Carney, Keir Starmer and other countries who have chosen to recognise a Palestinian state. All they have done is show the terrorisim pays off. The terrorists have won, and now know that if they continue, they will be rewarded further. What a dreadful message to convey to those Jews caught up in October 7. I strongly feel that these things absolutely fed into what happened in Manchester yesterday, and it will continue to rise.

It is utterly horrifying. I honestly hoped we would not see something like this in the UK. I am heartbroken.

At once stage, I went to school in an army town. I clearly remember that at least once, there was a bomb threat made against the school, apparently by the IRA, which was credible enough for us all to be evacuated from our classrooms to stand around on the tennis courts while the buildings were searched by I think troops, but might have been police.

ETA, this was in England.

Or they could have turned round, roundly condemned the atrocities carried out by Hamas, condemned them using women and children and hospital patients as human shields, acknowledged Israel was stuck between a rock and a hard place in how to respond and condemned the pro Hamas rallies in the UK as what they are and treated attending one as the hate crime it is. Instead they reward terrorism by recognising an area run by terrorists as a state.

@MyKhakiPanda you are an absolute disgrace. Shame on you.

I'm sorry juju. This thread after yesterdays attack...I cannot put into words. I am just so sorry.

I went to a catholic school in the 80s/90s and we also had bomb threats made against us. I recall it was a thing.

I agree with the part about not everyone wanting to integrate. Maybe I should have made that clearer. But you obviously didn’t read all of my comment as you would have seen that I said the community wasn’t just white which I assumed did make it clear. So why did you feel the need to accuse me of moving out because of brown people moving in?

And I’d tell anyone accusing me of racism to fuck off. You know nothing about me.

The onus shouldn't be on individuals to speak out about a country thousands of miles away.

Jewish people in the UK don't have Netanyahu on speed dial.

I think many Jewish people in the UK have intrinsic ties to Israel but that doesn't make them accountable for the Israeli government.

Regarding different religions and integration, I can share my experience of working at several 'non faith' junior schools where we had children from a range of religious backgrounds: Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu and atheist. As part of the curriculum children had RI lessons where they were given an introduction to each of the religions; this was done in a very neutral way, eg 'These people believe that...this is their holy book...this is how they worship etc'. It saddened me that, whereas all the Christian, Jewish, Sikh and Hindu parents were happy for their children to learn about other religions, the majority of the Muslim parents demanded that their children should only learn about Islam. The exceptions were Muslim refugees from Eastern Europe who seemed far more open minded and tolerant. It seems to me that if Muslim children were allowed to learn about other religions, they would realise that all faiths have a tremendous amount in common and they might be less aggressive (when adult) towards 'infidels': the unpleasant way in which some Muslims abuse westerners.
Interestingly the natural inclination of all the children was to make friends with anyone regardless of religion. They are taught to hate.

I read a comment earlier about Jewish people should make an effort to integrate more or along those lines. The neighbours of the victim's from yesterday's attack have been describing what wonderful people they were. One of them used to even buy Eid gifts for his Muslim neighbour's children. Yet he was mindlessly attacked just for being Jewish. We need to speak out against this heinous attack together.

I agree it’s absolutely wrong. However, a point of difference is that senior Israeli figures frequently equate criticism of Israel with being anti Jewish ie antisemitic full stop. There are obviously hundreds or even thousands of examples of this over the years, but as I live in Ireland I’ll put this one from last year, with the Israeli foreign minister calling the leader of Ireland “antisemitic”

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Last night Ireland's anti-Semitic Prime Minister Simon Harris said in an interview 'Ireland is not anti-Israel but Ireland is absolutely anti the starvation of children'," Mr Saar said.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2024/1217/1486987-ireland-israel/
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So to that extent, certain Israeli leaders are frequently trying to create animosity between Jewish people and their respective governments on a global level, not just on an “Israelis vs X” level. This then in turn creates the (unreasonable) expectation or perception that Jewish people globally are politically all on the same page.

I'm not saying I support or don't support. The notion that every Jew has to declare their politics is offensive and hateful.

But people who imply all Brits are Anglo Saxon are the problem here, not anyone else.

By ethnically British, people actually mean Anglo-Saxon. So the correct term would be ‘Anglo-Saxon British’, like ‘British Asian’ or ‘Black British’.

I’m not sure that this is the gotcha you think it is! You’re naming ethnic backgrounds, not religions, and the first two ethnicities are frequently Muslim (eg Albanians, Kosovans, Algerians, Moroccans).

I totally get that you don’t want what I said to be true - I don’t want it to be true! But I was trying to explain some reasons that are behind the statistics about Muslim children being in secular state schools and Jewish children far less so.

You yourself posted a link that proved that the open day debacle was true, and yet you used it to try to say that day was night. What is your agenda? Why are you so determined to disprove peoples’ lived experiences?

That was the implication in the post I was responding too. They didn't say 'everyone is scared.' They said, 'Jewish people are scared.'
Terrorist attacks may be targeted at everyone. Jewish people are scared -yes. But Muslim people are scared, Sikh people are scared. Christian people are scared. I could go on. I won't assume it is just one group that is scared. Because if I do, it seems like they may be the only target.
Hope that helps.

Thanks, glad you understood, I couldn't make heads nor tails of it.

No one said you were a terrible person, but people did point out that castigating the poster rather than explaining where she had been offensive, wasn’t the best way forward.

Not in my experience. I worked in schools with large Muslim cohorts. Everyone learned everything.The only ones that didn't were Jehovah's Witnesses and Plymouth Brethren. We had quite a few.

I am a Muslim and I can tell you that not even all Muslims will go out of their way to buy Eid presents for their neighbours kids who are Muslim. I mean how much more could he have integrated? And even if he chose not to, that wouldn't have stopped his murder yesterday. I feel a great sense of anger and sadness right now and I openly say not in my name!

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@anotherside I don't understand your point. Nigel Farage says all sorts of things as does Boris, Keir etc I'm not asked to answer for any of them.

Actually people have the right to have different political opinions than you, and not be attacked or harassed for them.

whataboutery. 101

You don't have to declare what you think.
However, I do understand how the marchers may come to certain conclusions, right or wrong. Do you understand this?