To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

It’s a massive stretch to say that they are unsafe because of some piss poor planning by the school admins. WF has a huge Muslim population, as do many more deprived parts of outer London.

Again ethnicity and nationality aren't the same thing.
American's don't share their genetics with the indigenous people, they are considered American though despite native Americans looking different to those who consider themselves American
Just like a black person can be English, so can a child born to Pakistani parents
You may believe me to be a fool, but it seems intriguing to why you seem to be so obsessed with skin colour defining nationality and why you include personal insults rather than providing any reasoning for your beliefs
Can a white person claim to be any nationality they're born into but only if that country is predominantly white?
How many generations down the line before they can claim that nationality 2/3/never?
If I'd found German ancestry in my family tree, would I have to start declaring myself as German and relinquish my British/English identity?

See, here is the problem. Even local people are confused that British is the nationality, English is the ethnicity. Anyone can be British, I agree, but English is an ethnicity like Japanese, Han Chinese, Kazakhs, Finns, Ashkenazi Jews for that matter.

You shouldn’t deny that ethnicity is real.

For those who'd rather read, here's a Substack transcript.

https://kenlacorte.substack.com/p/is-israel-starving-gaza?utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true

I do not feel I should be held accountable for any of the decisions taken by the Tory government between 2008 and 2024. I did not vote for them or like what they did.

Nor do I feel I should have to dance about with a tambourine singing “I never voted for that shower of loons” in public so I am not judged.

Even if I had voted for them though, that would not justify killing me. I haven’t liked the ruling party for most of my life; however we are not at war.

Second time in under a month I have been explaining that decent people just don’t use murder as a tool to resolve differences or express their feelings. Nobody should need to be told these things.

So by your logic, most British Jews can't call themselves English, since 80-90% are Ashkenazi.

I don't like that logic at all.

Are you saying that because I don't support Hamas and support Israel that I don't like black people?

Don't just hint, be clear. Be really, really, crystal clear for everybody to see.

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"Ah yes, the UN, always reliable.
They given out any of the food thats been stockpiled in Gaza yet or are they still kicking their heels refusing to collect it and pretending that Israel is preventing aid from getting through."

You are just spouting Israeli propaganda there.

No you're spouting Hamas propaganda.

there are so many useful idiots doing Hamas’s work for them.

Tbf I think what she means is that a person of a different ethnicity can claim a new nationality if born elsewhere but they can only claim once integrated and grown up in the culture

I’m white English, born in South London in the 60s. Some of my forefathers and mothers were black Jamaicans, 8,9 and 10 generations ago.
Please, oh wise American, enlighten me as to whether I qualify as English?

I think if you got out of your little insulated bubble you would see there is a a lot of intermarriage between Pakistani (and Indian) and other nationalities. In the 2011 census, 10% of Pakistanis were married outside of their ethnic group. It will be even more now.

I've met lots. And many of those kids do spend a lot of time in Pakistan.

Do you really think Pakistani people don't accept Imran Khan and Jemima Khan's sons as Pakistanis?

Going further than that… nobody should ever feel that their political views or religious beliefs will somehow make them vulnerable for attack. Terrible things happen everywhere, we hold the perpetrators responsible. The very and absolute definition of racism is the grouping and generalising of one people/race/religion/nationality together to vilify or target them. A Jewish person has every right to support the one Jewish state on earth. A Muslim has every right to support their religious laws. It shouldn’t matter to how we as humans treat or view that person. It’s very simple. This whole antisemitism argument wouldn’t be necessary if we knew how to think critically and with compassion. Two people were killed yesterday. This should make any normal moral human have sympathy and be outraged towards the person who killed them. That isn’t an excuse to say: the killer was a Muslim therefore all Muslims are bad. It’s not an excuse to say: the victims were Jews, but they probably support genocide so ah well.
We are never going to get anywhere if we go on like this. The society in the UK is diverse. This requires tolerance, education, adaptation and humanity otherwise what we get is what we are seeing now.
As a Jew, I don’t care who you are. Until proven otherwise i will treat you with respect and compassion. If I don’t agree with you I’ll discuss it with you, and then I have a choice whether to continue the discussion or accept that we can’t be friends because we are too different.
If you think that arguing with Jews about their lived experience is acceptable then fine. If you think that calling out Islam is acceptable then fine. But don’t intentionally use tropes and racist rhetoric because that’s when you prove that you are not entitled to be a part of a diverse society.

Genuine question - who do you expect to reach out to you? Unless you are a member of that congregation?

You type like you didn't make racist generalisations about Muslims in the post that got you deleted.

That's why posts should remain, so you can't now deny what you said.

Why was it deleted?

In the US they would be considered American and ethnically Jewish (predominantly Ashkenazi although Mizrahi and Sephardi are also represented)

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So you would tell Ian Wright, born and bred here and who calls himself an Englishman, that he isn't English?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Wright

This discussion over who's English or not is crackers! England, the country populated by people of goodness knows how many other countries and tribes and ethnicities over hundreds and hundreds of years suddenly has rules around who can be English or not, mainly based on skin colour?? get a grip!

English isn't an ethnicity, any more than American or Russian is. It is a Nationality; England is a nation in its own right. It is certainly not equivalent to the "White British" ethnic group (of which I am a member), and those who claim it is are frankly making racist statements.

I'm not convinced that is what they mean from this sentence 'you think you can just turn up and produce a white child and insist it's the same as the indigenous people?' the fact my baby would be white seems to be the main issue here, their skin wouldn't match that of the indigenous people so I couldn't insist it was the same nationality. When that baby grows up, even if it spoke the same language, ate the same food, made themselves a valuable member of the community they would still be white and would never be allowed to consider themselves white Pakistani according to that poster

But we were talking about the UK and the definition of English, don't dodge the question. If we follow your definition of English, British Ashkenazi Jews are not English.

I don't like that kind of definition of 'English' at all.

Ok, but Palestinian isn’t an ethnicity either, yet people call them ‘indigenous’ and say they’re more entitled to the land because of this?