To think the Manchester terrorist attack today shows the growing Anti-Semitism

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... and how Jews are not protected in this country.

And your point is exactly what in comparison to other terrorist attacks?

There is always a reason behind them which is underpinned by hate. Be it hate of Jewish, Catholic, white black, Muslim, English, Irish people the list is endless.

The attack today is no more tragic than the Warrington bomb, July 7th..the Westminster attack etc

Because people should be able to acknowledge the value of human life and pain of loss as a result, irrespective of race or religion.

As for pro Palestine protests today, why would they be stopped? The terrorist attack here hasn't stopped the genocide in Gaza or the illegal actions of the Israeli government, which highlighting is the purpose of these protests.

Islamic terrorism does not exist in a vacuum

Nor does the increase in far right terrorism.

I wonder if we will seen an increase in jewish terrorism, I'm thinking not.

Please provide evidence of this.

they blew up a load of kids watching arianna grande remember?

That will be our fault because of foreign policy according to some.

It’s Remembrance Day next month.
Starmer will have the gall to lay a wreath at the Cenotaph just like he did last year. When watching this year, let’s not forget how he recognises the State of Palestine.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Fd2vausJPzE

Nothing exists in a vacuum. There is however no justification, and the terrorism in the past 20 years in the country has been overwhelmingly from Islamists.

That is reality. Hate does not exist in a vacuum. It is flamed.

And history has shown how it plays out time and time again.

Funny how as a society we just refuse to learn from it.

Unfortunately you’re wrong. Government data below for England and wales to March 24. I include info about hate crimes and therefore prejudice against Muslims too because people have said it’s on the rise. They’re right but consider the ratios. There are 300,000 Jews in the UK and 4,000,000 Muslims. With that in mind, one would expect there to be c10 times as many hate crimes against Muslims than Jews but the amounts are very similar. There is a big antisemitism problem in the UK.

Annually, there were 3,282 religious hate crimes targeted at Jewish people in the year ending March 2024, more than double the number recorded the previous year (1,543). These offences accounted for a third (33%) of all religious hate crimes in the last year. By comparison, the proportion in the previous year was 20%.
There was also an increase in religious hate crimes targeted against Muslims since the beginning of the Israel-Hamas conflict, with 3,866 offences in the latest year, up 13% from 3,432 recorded the previous year. In the last year, almost 2 in 5 (38%) of religious hate crimes were targeted against Muslims.

The terrorist attack here hasn't stopped the genocide in Gaza or the illegal actions of the Israeli government, which highlighting is the purpose of these protests.

It's not particularly or appropriate today though is it?

And what does a terrorist attack here have to do with Gaza?

I haven’t voted because I do agree there is a huge rise in antisemitism. But I think that it is symptomatic of the horrendous division within our country. I think many people of many religions feel vulnerable. There is a lot of hate towards ethnic minorities. There’s a culture of misogyny. There is a big anti trans rhetoric. Politics encourages division, has done since the Brexit vote. Tolerance is hugely lacking.

Were any of them were killed at their places of worship today? I think being murdered is the most horrific thing and it has happened today to members of one specific minority, targeted on their most important religious day.

Not afaik any of the others. So your statement does not stand.

What could justify what happened today?

How did the bbc know about it 9 hours before it happened?

Exactly my point. What does it have to do with it?

They are very different in that hatred towards Jews has become normalized and even celebrated. If any other group are attacked there is universal condemnation.

They might even think that themselves. But no, if it wasnt x reason it would be y. Really they are just miserable sad and pathetic men. Weak, worthless and this is what they think makes them strong and worthy. How fucked up is that? Their values are so fucked up that it’s difficult to comprehend.

@Whatado which part of my post are you referring to?

@Themedat I agree but plenty seem to think we deserve what we get

These are the same people who think women should be raped because they had a knee out. As I said; they know there men are weak and pathetic.

This - And what does a terrorist attack here have to do with Gaza?

And I said, exactly my point what does one have to do with the other.

There are protests all around the world today due to the further illegal actions of the Israeli government yesterday.

Hence why I dont see them as inappropriate, as you rightly pointed out they are two separate things.

All that shows is that the police response was incredibly quick, which is exactly as it should be.

I am heart broken this has happened in this city, thoughts with the whole community there tonight. Utterly abhorrent. There can be no justification.

I am proud of the police response time, but of course little comfort to those who lost loved ones, those injured and witnesses.

I don't live far from here. We have a large Jewish and a large Muslim community here. I would say a decent proportion of non religious, and other faiths too. Generally, communities here really are well integrated and live side by side peacefully and respectfully. As usual, an extreme minority causing chaos for the peaceful majority.

Like 99% of people in Manchester, I stand with all who just want to live in peace. Hate should have no place here.

It is about time we started speaking openly about the effects of wider conflicts with each other in our communities. Its ok to disagree. But respectfully. Until we start normalising the middle ground most of us operate in, polarisation is just going to get worse.

It's so bloody predictable, that when talking about a terrorist attack on the Jewish community ,instead of condemning the attack and offering sympathy, people try to:
A) minimise
B) Justify

I can't imagine this would happen if it was a terrorist attack on any other community.

The reactions here are symptomatic of the growing Anti-Semitism in the UK

oh, so that's what this is about. Muslims are under attack constantly - I think they must be the most discriminated against group in Europe these days.

It's awful that the attack today happened, but for you to suggest that Jewish people have no protection is ridiculous and insulting. Jewish people are not the only minority that face persecution.

@Whatado I think a spontaneous protest here on the eve of a terror attack is simply inappropriate. You can support it though.