To think that if you commit a male crime, you should do male time, even if you identify as a woman?

[TheAvidAmberPeer]

I know this is a sensitive topic but I’ve been thinking about how justice systems handle trans women who commit serious crimes, especially violent or sexual offences, and whether it’s fair to house them in women’s prisons. To me, if you were born male and commit a crime typically associated with male offenders, particularly one involving violence against women, it seems like common sense that you should serve time in a male facility. Identity doesn’t erase biology or risk in those cases.

AIBU to think fairness and safety, especially for vulnerable female prisoners, should come before ideology?

Did anyone every believe that this level of horseshit would ever be posted with a straight face?

The equality act applies to all public spaces, services, businesses and workplaces.
Please tell us any circumstances were it doesn't apply in all contexts (outside of the GRC act which now only covers pensions and government documents)

Curious that the danger comes from men, and yet it is women who are required to provide the solution, to their own detriment.

now, where have I come across that before. Oh, wait….

No it doesn’t. It really really doesn’t. Because that would be batshit and unworkable.

Seeing that written down has brought it home to me (and no doubt others) just how insanely, head meltingly crazy this whole ideology is.

Sometimes a woman, but sometimes not. You could not make this shit up 😂😂😂

If they have functioning male bits definitely male prison. If they've had it all removed then case by case maybe.

It does though. I suggest reading the gender recognition act. This has not been repealed. It exists alongside the Equalities Act 2010 and the recent SC decision.

I don't think it's batshit, but I agree that the current situation is not helpful.

I suppose it's progress of a sort that The Righteous have moved on to word-salad about specific interpretations of specific pieces of legislation, rather than the old "No Debate! Unbelievers should be beheaded and then die in a grease fire!" when they thought they ruled the universe.

but the SC confirmed a man is still a man even if he has a bit of paper pretending he’s a woman. I suggest you read it. No male is a woman. Not one.

Have you read the gender recognition act? Do you understand this is law? This law exists alongside the EA 2010.

This isn't my "ideology" I'm simply describing the law for you.

Again- that's NOT what the SC judgement says. 🤦🏼‍♀️

it clarified that in one piece of legislation- the EA 2010- where the words "sex", "woman" and "man" are used they should be interpreted as referring to "biological sex" (simply understood as sex "at birth). This is relevant for interpreting forms of civil law provisions related to lawful/ unlawful discrimination.

Thats it. Thats all the judgement was about.

It doesn't nullify other pieces of legislation like the Gender Recognition Act ,

Why? They’re still male. Why does them losing their penis make them eligible for female prison?

It so does. You just haven’t realised it yet.

Oh yes it does. It may not say what you want it to say. But it says that. No males in women’s spaces.

🤷🏼‍♀️.

Btw It's not within the court's power to repeal an act of parliament, but don't let that trouble you .

"Gender recognition

The Gender Recognition Act (GRA) enables people whose gender identity does not correspond with the sex originally registered on their birth certificate (trans people) to obtain a gender recognition certificate (GRC); this provides legal recognition in their acquired gender. The act provides that legal recognition in the person’s acquired gender changes “for all purposes” the person’s sex to correspond with that gender. Thus, once in possession of a GRC, someone who was registered as male at birth would become a woman and vice versa, under the GRA. The sex recorded on their birth certificate would be amended to reflect this. The acquired gender can only be man or woman.

The legal recognition granted to GRC holders is limited by the GRA in various areas. For instance, in relation to peerages, succession, parental status regarding children, and certain gender-specific offences. In these circumstances, a GRC holder may lawfully be treated according to their sex registered at birth. The GRA also specifies that future legislation, including secondary legislation, may introduce further exemptions to the scope of a GRC."

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10137/

If your aim was to show how ridiculous, I'll thought through and now defunct the GRA is - congratulations on a job well done my friend

My aim was to correct your (and others') apparent legal illiteracy.

It is in fact the case that in law trans women with a GRC are women for some purposes and not for others. Same goes for trans men.

Im not endorsing the law , I'm simply explaining it to you.

They're women for all purposes that only affect them and not women for all purposes that also affect others.

Why? They are still men.

Oh god Tandora, I don't think you have the slightest clue how you're coming across 😭

Exactly. But they made it null and void. A GRC is now worthless. So yay! No matter how many bits of paper a man has…. He’ll never be a woman.

Males in male prisons, and no exceptions.
I dont care if he looks like bernard manning or beyonce, its utterly irrelevant - he's still male and has absolutely no reason to be housed in the female estate.

I don’t see what’s complicated about this:
a. transitioned after the crime - male prison as this was their identity at the time.
b.transitioned before the crime but the offence involves sexual violence against a female or they have a past history of this - male prison
c. transitioned before the crime but the offence is something like fraud or not paying council tax - female prison in a separate area if possible
d. Transitioned means no penis. If there is a penis - male prison no exception

So if they have no penis, were fully transitioned and the crime did not involve any type of sexual violence against a female, then allow them space in a female prison.

Simples