To think that if you commit a male crime, you should do male time, even if you identify as a woman?

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I know this is a sensitive topic but I’ve been thinking about how justice systems handle trans women who commit serious crimes, especially violent or sexual offences, and whether it’s fair to house them in women’s prisons. To me, if you were born male and commit a crime typically associated with male offenders, particularly one involving violence against women, it seems like common sense that you should serve time in a male facility. Identity doesn’t erase biology or risk in those cases.

AIBU to think fairness and safety, especially for vulnerable female prisoners, should come before ideology?

They are choosing to believe that other people have a gender identity which somehow matches their genitalia, which is absolutely bonkers.

Perhaps it might help them to learn that that's not true.

No I mean they can stop pretending they are women. Which they are not as they are men. Biological men.

Predatory men at that.

They are not "pretending they are women".

They are trans.

A trans woman is a person who understands/ recognises themselves to be female, despite having been born with observable male physical characteristics.

This is not something they can just 'stop' because it makes you uncomfortable.

No.

the fact he thought this was even an issue to be concerned with shows that environment wasn't for him.

They are pretending they are women and they don't make me feel uncomfortable they make me feel fucking infuriated at the blatant gaslighting and misogyny of their nonsense.

And yet by all accounts there was nothing wrong with Dr U's practice as a doctor, so what you are saying is just flagrantly discriminatory and also unlawful btw.

Would you say the same about a doctor who asked for additional support once because of any other physical or mental health condition, or neurological difference. ADHD? A physical disability? Anxiety?

Nope. Thought not.

Your transphobia is shining loud and clear.

Therapy gives tools to help cope with the larger world. Therapy would have given him the tools to be able to deal with others not seeing him how he sees himself without expecting the larger world to bend to his needs solely.

would maybe give him the tools to understand others have needs too needs enshrined in law and that acknowledging these needs in others, and not insisting his needs are met above all else would have avoided all of this.

therapy isn't about a cure - using your example of autism - it allows people who have autisim and have went down the therapy route tools to help them cope with their day to day life. It can be incredibly useful to some.

the fact you see therapy as a cure tells me you are not quite as inclusive as you like to pretend.

No hey are not "pretending they are women".

They are trans.

A trans woman is a person who understands/ recognises themselves to be female, despite having been born with observable male physical characteristics.

You being in a flaming rage about that is because you have a deep rooted issue with transphobia.

They are predatory men. And I hate the bastards.

Of course therapy is not always just about cure, therapy can help mitigate the symptoms or effects of a condition, and can help people cope in the world. I'm not saying trans people shouldn't have therapy to cope with the social and personal and medical implications of being trans.

But therapy cannot alter the core issue which is that a trans woman has a profound, pervasive and unrelenting understanding of self as female.

To deny or repress this, and to live their lives as if they are men/ male - as you would like them to do - causes acute and debilitating psychological distress and disassociation, that cannot be resolved through therapy.
Therefore, it is not the least bit proportionate or reasonable to require them to do this to accommodate your transphobia.

I hear you. It's disturbing.

Indeed it is.

I don’t share your “trans” ideology and I don’t consider your explanation meaningful. They are all just men, who for a range of reasons claim to “identify” as women. Some for sexual gratification, others for different psychological reasons.

They are pretending to be women because they are men, and it’s not possible for them to actually be women. They are mutually exclusive categories.

I think it would be useful to make sure that is clear to all these men when they seek “treatment” (hormones etc).

And the women who claim a male identity too, obviously. No sexism.

Are we still being lectured about how we are big meanies to not think of the poor men who can’t have access to female spaces anymore and to tell them they’re not actually women. That we must prioritise their feelings above our own and budge up like good little support humans? 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄.

They are not "pretending they are women".

They are trans. A trans woman is a person who understands/ recognises themselves to be female, despite having been born with observable male physical characteristics.

This is a naturally occurring form of cognitive difference - like autism - over which the individual has no control.

Even if you don't believe this is true (for no good reason of course other than you have decided this), surely you can accept that this is logically possible?

I’m not interested in what you call it. They are still just men, so if they call themselves women it’s false. They can call themselves what they want, obviously but others don’t have to take it seriously, especially when it is deleterious to our own rights as women.

Why do you think the Supreme Court backed FWS and not the Scottish government, in ruling that for the purpose of the single sex spaces in the Equality Act, “trans women” are legally to be considered men? @Tandora

So you’re differentiating between people who have this very strong feeling, people who dress up for sexual gratification & people who claim to be trans for nefarious reasons, @Tandora?

I wo der if that poster has any clues about how women are supposed to tell them they’re not difference and how we keep some of them out whilst allowing others in? Or as, that poster has often implied, do women not matter abd we let all men in whatever their motivation?

"big meanies". This is how you deflect from, and minimise your behaviour isn't it?

Words like "big meanie" , and I don't have to #bekind. I'm a feminist!

This is how you use feminism as your cover while engaging in hate speech, like this.

I hate the bastards.

Then you say your not transphobic, you just don't have to #bekind. I wonder how many other groups we could direct such tactics at?

I accept that some men have these feelings about themselves, but not that women should be denied legal acknowledgement of our existence and our right to single sex spaces because some men have these feelings.