To think that if you commit a male crime, you should do male time, even if you identify as a woman?

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I know this is a sensitive topic but I’ve been thinking about how justice systems handle trans women who commit serious crimes, especially violent or sexual offences, and whether it’s fair to house them in women’s prisons. To me, if you were born male and commit a crime typically associated with male offenders, particularly one involving violence against women, it seems like common sense that you should serve time in a male facility. Identity doesn’t erase biology or risk in those cases.

AIBU to think fairness and safety, especially for vulnerable female prisoners, should come before ideology?

I also always wonder why the push to say biological sex is complicated and nobody know who is a man and who is a woman, why not push to do away with these words? If they are complicated and based on feelings and 'you just know' they have zero added value in society. So lets get rid of them. But that's not the demand. The demand is that we keep segregated healthcare and prisons and sports and changing rooms, but then segregated on meaningless words so that some male people can use them whether the female people like it or not.
@tandora,why?

I wasn't attributing those words to you, but you have repeatedly accused me of saying supposedly "egregious" things, but you completely fail to acknowledge the much more evidently egregious things said by others.

It's pretty clear that your accusations haven't got anything to do with being offended by people saying egregious things, it's simply your best attempt at silencing people who disagree with you - by trying to undermine the person.

Haha nice try. I don’t care what other people say to you. I haven’t paid all that much attention. Address my points to me, and theirs to them.

Ive been perfectly clear about your lack of empathy in my own words.

So if no one knows who isa man or a woman, how can trans identified males be so convinced they are women? I have asked TRAs this many times and never had an answer.

Me too.

It’s just one of the many mysterious paradoxes of gender identity ideology.

Put very simply, the issue is this.

You think that by acknowledging that sex is complicated, people are saying that it doesn't exist (therefore, we must "do away with these words"!)

But things can be both complicated and diverse, and also be real and exist at the same time. It's not a case of all or nothing.

Sex is real. Sex matters. Sex is also a complex, multi-dimensional, developmental process, and the outcomes of that process are more diverse than those produced by a theory/ model that presumes that sex is binary, fixed and pre-determined at conception.

I'm certainly not the one experiencing a serious empathy fail. All one has to do is read your posts about trans people in general and DU in particular to see who that is.

Yes, you are the one experiencing an empathy fail, as countless posters have told you, on this thread and many others.

Argh I'm getting distracted again. I'm supposed to be reading/ commenting on a paper not arguing with ATRAs on mumsnet.

Oh definitely. It’s funny some posters claim sex is so complicated, but still, there’s only two sexes, sex is binary and immutable and males can never become women. This may upset them but frankly I don’t care. I do care about the women and girl harmed by this pernicious ideology though and I am so glad the SC ruling will hopefully show a small return to sanity.

Of course. We wouldn’t want to deprive the researcher in question of your academic and intellectual brillance.

Bit by bit, it is returning, I think. There will be more darkness before the dawn though, I imagine.

We do have a long way to go. The TRAs have a lot to lose. And people will have to deal with the fact they have caused so much harm to children and women.

They’re becoming more unhinged in their echo chambers. Look at these tantrums on BlueSky because the CEO made a joke when they demanded he expel liberal commentator Jesse Singal, who has written extremely mild criticism of child gender medicine.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BlockedAndReported/comments/1nxwsu8/drama_abounds_as_ceo_of_bluesky_responds_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

But sex is determined at conception. We know this because they are able to determine the sex of a
blastocyst 5 days after conception where sex determination is required in IVF to avoid genetic complications.

No - we are able to determine the Karyotype of a blastocyst 5 days after conception - XX or XY. Karyotype kicks off the developmental process, but the developmental process is complex and processual and not simply determined by karyotype.

its amazing what science can do. It blows a hole in the whole “observed at birth” guff. I mean, are these people accusing sonographers of just guessing the sex at scans? I mean the fact transpeople only ever claim to be one of the two sexes kind of reinforces the fact even they know sex is binary. And the fact they claim to have transitioned also shows they do know their sex, they just believe (wrongly) that humans can change sex. I am using male, female and sex here in the widely accepted way of defining these words,not weird jumbo jumbo Freeman on the land definitions. I do see a lot of similarities between some TRA and the FOTL. They both try to relay on semantics and pseudo intellectual gubbins to try to prove their points.

I agree, I think someone else made a very similar comparison @Namelessnelly

Exactly!

and clearly not the marking of a good doctor. A good doctor is one who puts their feelings aside in order to do what's best for their patient. Not one who complained about being called "son".

I can imagine many other health care professionals just shook their head at that and thought "is that it?" Many will have been called much worse

This is simply you having zero insight/ understanding of what it is to be trans. That's all.

DU was experiencing something very personally difficult for her at work, she was asking for support from management around that, nothing wrong with that, entirely appropriate, and no impact on the patient in question of her doing so. So nothing to do with not considering the needs of the patient.

waffle, waffle, waffle, waffle.

Bit like your fascinating posts about “the trans experience” @Tandora

Yes, exactly. Upton appears extremely histrionic about perceived slights. Another pointer to a personality disorder which would make him unsuitable to work with vulnerable service users.

Not really no. Those are clear, logical and grounded in evidence.
I understand you see this differently, however,