To think that if you commit a male crime, you should do male time, even if you identify as a woman?

[TheAvidAmberPeer]

I know this is a sensitive topic but I’ve been thinking about how justice systems handle trans women who commit serious crimes, especially violent or sexual offences, and whether it’s fair to house them in women’s prisons. To me, if you were born male and commit a crime typically associated with male offenders, particularly one involving violence against women, it seems like common sense that you should serve time in a male facility. Identity doesn’t erase biology or risk in those cases.

AIBU to think fairness and safety, especially for vulnerable female prisoners, should come before ideology?

You’d think they’d be voting YABU in the poll then, wouldn’t you? Unfortunately for you, it’s clear that on Mumsnet as well as in the wider world, people aren’t buying it any more, if they ever were.

Read your own posts, and you will see nasty.

There’s nothing nasty about my posts.

A lot of people avoid these threads because they are full of toxic posters. It’s always the same few usernames on these threads,

But yes ask a soft ball question like should people with a penis go into a male prison and most people will say yes (that’s why all the faux concern about the safety of prisoners - people love to whip up transphobia with that example), but most people in the real world do not share you extremism. Your absolute black and white thinking and the vitriol and contempt that you have for trans people.

In your opinion. You’ve called other people nasty. Time to take a good look in the mirror.

Yes, yours.

Actually, under my definition of nasty, your posts are extremely nasty. If you get to have your own definition of words, so does everyone else. Well to be fair your posts are extremely nasty by any definition of the word.

I know, me too. Not sure how I will go on 😢

😂Your 'definition' of nasty clearly differs from 99% of the population. Your posts are hateful, vile and nasty.

I’m sobbing into my gin as I speak. I’ll have to go and repent won’t I? I’ll do that by eating 10 tunnocks.

the DARVO is off the charts.

This seems very likely.

Wafers, Logs or Teacakes?

To be clear you said of me:

They aren't even human to write that, or I can only imagine a person who would do that is a male that gets off on womens discomfort.

So please do screenshot the post where I said anything even remotely comparable to this to another user., But yeh I’m the nasty one @Namelessnelly @Ereshkigalangcleg @NeonFish

You have all shown yourselves , if there was a block function I would use it.

Oh it most certainly is....

Go one screen shot the post where I said something anything comparable to this to another user?

They aren't even human to write that, or I can only imagine a person who would do that is a male that gets off on womens discomfort.

That would be awesome. Maybe try starting a thread requesting it on site stuff?

It really would be much better.

This. 100% this.

Wafers. They’re the punishment tunnocks lol.

You're a brave woman!

Couldn't find one?

I wonder why that is.

Let's review again some of the abuse and bullying from the mouths of anti-trans-activists (A-TRAs) on this forum against people who challenge transphobia:

They aren't even human
I can only imagine [that] person... is a male that gets off on womens [sic] discomfort.

They were already posted on this very thread. But here is one, so lets review the dismissal of rape survivors needs out of the mouths of the misogynistic anti-women MRAs:

You didn't post anything.

Go on let's see what you are trying to pretend is the same as saying another poster "isn't even human" etc.

Let's put the words out your mouth and the words out my mouth side by side.

Not your completely made up fantasies about what my words were/ meant- my actual words please.

Show me any words where I said anything derogatory whatsoever about rape trauma or survivors.

You can't because the truth is there are none.

And this is the crux of the problem. They are a trans woman - and to be a trans woman you need to be male. So you and they know that Upton is in fact male. By says he is trans he is saying he is male.

he can believe himself to be female, but he knows that he is trans and therefore biologically male.

And we know people cannot change sex. So he is still male. We all know this.

he can identify as female. He can present as female. He can live as female. No issues with any of that at all. But he can't say he IS female, as he isn't. And he cannot expect others to agree that he is female. He isn't. Given he has lived most of his life as male, he knows this too.

thr problem he has is in court he claimed to be a biological woman. Something he cannot be as he is a trans identifying male.

he knows his presence in the changing room made others uncomfortable yet didn't care. He has said in court he would ignore a patients request for a female doctor. That's not a nice person nor a good doctor. It's the complete opposite. And it's someone who shouldn't practice medicine.

its important to note that despite the toxic environment in Fife nhs (for anyone who is gc) Sandie Peggie was cleared of harassment.

it became very clear in the tribal that Upton lied. And processes were not followed by management. Fife nhs (sadly my local nhs trust) is clearly badly run. A problem not just in Fife to be fair.

if a trained medical professional can't recognise the differences between the sexes, that could have disastrous results for the patient. And in a medical setting, it's the patients needs that trump the doctors.

But yore the one saying words have different meanings to people. Do you can’t complain when people use words in a way you don’t like. Either all words have universally accepted meanings or words can mean whatever anyone wants them to mean. Which is it?