To think that if you commit a male crime, you should do male time, even if you identify as a woman?

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I know this is a sensitive topic but I’ve been thinking about how justice systems handle trans women who commit serious crimes, especially violent or sexual offences, and whether it’s fair to house them in women’s prisons. To me, if you were born male and commit a crime typically associated with male offenders, particularly one involving violence against women, it seems like common sense that you should serve time in a male facility. Identity doesn’t erase biology or risk in those cases.

AIBU to think fairness and safety, especially for vulnerable female prisoners, should come before ideology?

No, but believing that humans can change sex is incompatible with passing GCSE biology and acquiring a medical degree.

Let's return to this thread in 30 years and review who is on the right side of history.

Of course you do.

She doesn't believe that she "has changed sex". That's entirely your construction.

Sure, let’s do that. I’ve popped it in my Filofax.

You demonstrated this when you couldn't accept that a rape survivor, as a patient in a health care facility requesting to see a female HCP, could reasonably expect to see a female HCP.

You think it's perfectly reasonable for a trans identifying male to present himself & treat such a patient, or any other female patient requesting a female HCP, unless she says the magic words '...& not a transwoman'.

You don't understand consent.

LOL

I imagine many people don’t even experience him as a man who identifies as a woman, in his gender neutral scrubs. Just a male junior doctor.

You don't understand consent

How do I respond without getting banned from mumsnet.

I can see that particular poster is adamant that SA victims deserve no consideration or sympathy. The fact that they are claiming that a male (doctor no less) would be convinced he is female and so would be justified in attending when the patient has requested a female is er… a different take. The fact this poster seems to think a trans identified male would be so callous and narcissistic to insert himself into thst scenario shows a nasty contempt for those males doesn’t it? It’s saying they would not put their patient first, but would rather have their identity validated. That seems rather sociopathic to me and I cannot imagine many doctors putting their patient in that awful situation, however they identify.

I can see that particular poster is adamant that SA victims deserve no consideration or sympathy

I think that's you dear given some of the things you've said directly to me on this thread.

And as pp pointed out, the words “I don’t want to be treated by a “trans woman” is likely to get your card marked to a greater or lesser extent as a “transphobe”. Women have been refused treatment in some cases because of similar.

It’s quite revealing that genderists don’t think these men can be trusted to respect women’s boundaries even when this is made clear to them.

Oh honey, even a passing knowledge of the history of feminism should tell you that it's entirely possible and indeed most likely that the world will still be a misogynistic hellhole in 30 years' time. Gender ideology might no longer be the most fashionable way of oppressing women though, I'll grant you that.

Still we real feminists will keep on buggering on. I won't yet be 70 in 30 years' time so hopefully I'll still have a bit of fight left in me then.

So you want people to know you don't want a trans woman for a doctor, but you don't want them to know that's how you feel in case they think you are transphobic? So they should just presume everyone feels that way so you don't have to articulate that you do?

Is that it?

that it's entirely possible and indeed most likely that the world will still be a misogynistic hellhole in 30 years' time

Oh I have no doubt about that. But I'm pretty confident we will have advanced in our attitudes towards trans people by then.as this situation certainly isn't sustainable to last that long.

No, doctors should respect the wishes of any woman who has said she wants a female doctor and not send her a male doctor, trans identifying or otherwise.

You said the quiet part out loud.

Fuck the women, as long as trans people are taken care of, eh.

If men attack men who pretend to be women, that’s a men’s problem. Women shouldn’t be made to accommodate men in their spaces because men can’t tolerate other men who are different.

Indeed they have. There have been some high profile reports of that happening. It’s horrendous thst women should ever have to be put in that position. Even worse when the woman has already suffered trauma and distress. Wasn’t one of the Darlington nurses a SA survivor who even though she disclosed why sharing spaces would be traumatic for her, was punished by the hospital scheduling a trans identified male to do an intimate procedure on her, despite her requesting female care.

I would like to exercise my right, in the NHS constitution, to request to be cared for by a female doctor. There doesn’t need to be any further wording. Men who identify as women know full well that this doesn’t include them for the vast majority of female patients. So why would they want to make their female patients feel unsafe and uncomfortable when they are already likely to be scared, distressed, in pain or all three?

don’t think these men can be trusted to respect women’s boundaries even when this is made clear to them.

I have no doubt at all that DU would 100% respect any patients boundaries that were made clear to her. She is by all accounts an excellent and caring doctor.

The problem is if you ask for a female, it's not clear to DU that she's excluded because she understands herself to be female. It's that simple.

Absolutely nobody here has said that you don't deserve any consideration or sympathy when receiving medical treatment.

Yes. Tribunal starts on 22 October I think. It’s going to be a big one.

Men who identify as women know full well that this doesn’t include them for the vast majority of female patients.

The problem is they don't know this. As DU herself told us.