Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

I'd say it's Reform that needs to show some competence... why would they deserve a shot? Can't find any evidence they'd be any good in any area of government.

The Liberal Democrats have accepted the Supreme Court ruling and that TW are not in fact W. It is going to take time for it to completely be assimilated as there are a lot of very upset gender woo members who are struggling to let go and accept it, many of whom are now leaving the Lib Dems and feeling they have no party to align with, same as many GC women felt for years.

No, not a state (course not!), more a territory like Puerto Rico. We'd never get freedom to work in the US for example. And certainly wouldn't be getting any representation!

On what basis should you be allowed to retrospectively upend the lives of countless people? Because a few racists say so? Where do you draw the line? My father has been here for 50 years, paid tax the entire time and raised a family. Should he now be expected to apply for a visa or British citizenship? Are the government going to pay for that or after 50 years of paying into the system and having been given indefinite leave to remain, he now has to find the money?

Elon musk has recently tweeted to the world that Nigel Farage isn’t up to the job. I really doubt he is funding him when he is trying to torpedo him.

Agree with every single word in his speech. OP - @Bumblebee72 what part of this do you take issue with?

The imaginary bits.

I think that is right. Branding your opposition as the enemy when you are doing a shit job is pointless. But we can all sell they are delivering the opposite of what they promised. The promised benefit reform but have delivered a give away, they promised growth but have delivered job cuts, the promised to smash the gangs but delivered a taxi service from the channel.

I would go one step further and say join the Liberal Democrats and get involved. Most local party groups are small and every person who gets involved can make a difference, including influencing policy. If there are things you don't agree with, it is easier to change from within.

Absolutely. I think people who want to vote reform, in many cases, are ppl who either can't or won't drill down into the detail. Reform offers simplistic solutions. I think if they get in, ppl. will start to witness the utter shambolic mess its bound to be....it would make Boris and the previous Tory fiasco look like competent government. I do wish ppl would have the brains to work out how dangerous to our welfare and liberty Reform would actually be. They are a bunch of people who, IMO, just want to make a shed load of money at the expense of the British working class. It's bloody obvious.

There's no evidence you're right. That's because they haven't had a shot. Whereas conservatives and Labour parties do have much evidence- they have demonstrated continually their complete ineptitude. The only way they can stop reform is by becoming competent and demonstrating clearly positive results.

You are a small minded bigot and it's good that Labour are finally getting the balls to call you out. Better you treated as an enemy of the state than me. I cannot return to my own country because I committed the sin of partnering up with a foreigner and I can't come back unless my kids and their Father are separated.

No they need to challenge Reform particularly as journalists seem intent on ensuring Reform are endlessly reported on despite the fact they have fewer MPs then the Lib Dems and we are 4 years away from an election.

Not how I’ve read or interpreted the news today. could you share your sources?

The thing that is interesting through is labour is obviously worried. The whole of his major conference speech was an attack on reform rather than highlighting his own policies and achievements. The flag waving was all bloody ridiculous. The speech to me screamed like someone is worried and that in itself gives power to reform.

i do not support Reform at all but I think they cannot be underestimated at all. I can see them doing very well in the Welsh elections next year and building from there. Farage is playing the media game much better than Starmer is right now.

If you feel Starmer was addressing you in his speech @Bumblebee72 then you must feel that the points he raised apply to you.

I actually think the government waiving the fee for people already on ILR to become a citizen is a really good idea.

I did not vote Labour, but I thought Stsrner's speech was great. At last! Let call out the snake Farage for what he is. The man is a truly vile individual. He speaks to the lowest common denominators of human nature - fear, selfishness, xenophobia hatred - and is manipulating the most dispossessed in society for his own twisted view of the world. The fact is, the man is a public school, ex-banker and media-manipulator extraordinaire. But he will shaft the poor so hard they have no idea what's coming. Just give them a little plastic flag and get them pointing their finger at brown people in the hope they don't notice. It's pitiful to watch.

People who vote for the far right usually have very little knowledge of history or of how voting in far right parties has panned out in the past.

And you think any government will do that?

I agree.

I'm glad OP's poll hasn't gone how she was hoping. With 71% YABU.

Thanks for this.

I’m just saying I personally think that would be a good idea. Why are you so desperate to catch me out when I’m agreeing with you that your dad shouldn’t have to pay for citizenship.

It’s this baying for blood that is causing so much friction between both sides.

I want people to have an open dialogue.

Exactly. If you are the kind of person who graffitis takeaways with racist slogans, or chants racism in the streets then yes, you are an enemy if the state and will be called out as such. You know who you are. Decent people don't want to live alongside you. This is obvious.

The NHS is dealing with an aging population and increased medical costs. It is also suffering from over a decade of underfunding and very poorly conceived bureaucratic changes.

None of those issues would be solved by switching to a different model. The American alternative is both hair raisingly expensive and provides much less overall. European models of health insurance work much better - but they aren't more efficient than the process we have. There's more layers of bureacracy in those systems than with free at the point of care. And it wouldn't fix the key issue which is an aging population.
The most efficient thing to do would be to keep the NHS but increase spending per head to French or Dutch levels. But that would be unpopular because paying in taxes feels different to paying in insurance premiums

Oh and also there are drug price increases on the way which any government will need to deal with. Trump capitalised on Americans (justified) resentment of the amount they pay for drugs to come to power. But now that he's in power he's evening the score by making drug companies charge nonAmericans more, not by making them charge Americans less. Which some are happy with because it's not about making their own lives better, it's about making other people's lives worse. It's total crabs in a bucket mode, and Farage wants to put us in Trump's pocket. That will not go well for us. I don't want to be kicked every time America feels bad about something (though maybe he'd let you kick a refugee to feel better).