Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

Patently not true. ReformUKOurContractwith_You.pdf

As an ex nhs worker & now a patient in 3 Trusts I can promise you the nhs is working, not prefect , misused by the public, underpaid by the government but seeing a huge amount of patients a day. How many patients do not arrive to their appointments thousands a week who pays for that?
why don’t you pay tax? If you don’t pay into the system then you shouldn’t be allowed to have an opinion. I do on my private pension I took early as I got ill. So you can afford £800 month private healthcare insurance because I couldn’t, & with a chronic health condition I am sure it would cost even more & if you can afford it why aren’t you being taxed on that income?

not everyone wants a sex change, why should people work in the office when it work perfectly well from home most of all why do you care is it affecting you?

The only thing I can think of is that you have a vested interest in all the things you have mentioned.
when you start paying tax then I will listen to you.

I will, thank you.

Yeah, I read it a while back. If you did a vox populi on Reform's policies, how many people do you think have a clue about them apart from immigration? Seriously?

Stochastic terrorism was always a terminally online left wing thing. There were people in positions of influence (journalism, some politicians) who took it to heart but not really in the UK. Its an American buzzword. So he's clearly trying to use "the lefty language against them" in the way that Trump/Vance are doing but he comes across as someone either completely steeped in American politics or just terminally online. It's also maybe an attempt to exploit Charlie Kirk's death. His death was utterly tragic but happened in America. Not here.

It's also silly, because what Trump/Vance did was cry about free speech while out of power then turn the tables once in power. It's odd to try to turn the tables so swiftly when you aren't yet elected. But I do think people should pay attention. I don't think the party of freeze peach will consider themselves above censorship if they are elected.

And of course the reduction in the benefit system quoted as “suppression of welfare “ and workers rights wouldn’t exactly help - there you are in a minimum wage job and no UC top up ? That’s way better off … oh hang on

Love it! you're only going to listen to people when they pay tax. How very right wing of you. The irony,

Read their policies a few months ago, thanks.

Tell me you are rich without telling me

I agree that the approach will need to change if there is any hope of more moderate parties coming together. They need to find common ground. It is hard to see how this would work at the moment, but I remain hopeful. The looming threat of a Reform government may focus minds in ways that they haven't been focused to date.

I very much doubt that many Labour MPs are happy with the new asylum policy. It doesn't seem to chime with the values that Starmer expressed in his conference speech. I think they need to work out what they stand for and stick to it.

We need a new type of politics. What we have right now just isn't working.

Always hated name calling. Are you 6?

Well we need to because it's unsustainable see below. It's the highest it has ever been and needs reducing. We can't keep spending, the black hole has doubled since Labour came in. We have to start cutting costs. The problem is that their economic policies have created higher levels of unemployment.

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You've just contradicted yourself. I think you'll most people planning to vote reform have a good idea - that's why they are more persuaded than by the other parties. More than 1 in 3 people are planning to vote for them.

Farage isn’t interested in the health systems of Europe, he takes his lead from Trump. He won’t become a multi billionaire investing in non-profit healthcare will he?

It's ironic that you have quoted an example from the US. And it is desperately sad that the Reform supporters don't appear to be learning anything from watching the utter shitshow that is currently unfolding in the US. If that doesn't give them pause for thought, then nothing else will.

Yes we need to reduce benefits - but we can’t just stop them because all that does is increase your crime bill

it needs to be controlled and managed and the first stage is getting people fit and well not driving them to despair

and that needs a better funded nhs not a private system that ignores the most ill

and a better funded nhs needs more money from someone one way or another

we know the rich downing want to pay as said up thread and that’s why some of them vote reform …

I'd honestly be staggered if they did.

No-one is prepared to pay more tax though. Everyone thinks someone else should be. What you want isn't going to happen.

I would be prepared to pay more tax, personally, if i felt that it was going to be used wisely. And I know a lot of people who share that view.

Tbf there’s plenty of this from the other side.

I don’t think it’s enough otherwise Labour would have run the GE on it.

Yet none of you opt to pay more tax now.

Sorry but it's just performative unless you put your money where your mouth is.

Hard to say. I think they just weren't brave enough, but we'll never know.

So you would trust labour with additional voluntary contributions?