Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

Don’t be silly. Being opposed to, or an enemy of, this particular government is not the same thing as being "an enemy in the country" or "an enemy to the state". You’re just trying to stir things up.

Why all the drama? If you don’t like this government, fine. "Getting them out at the first opportunity" simply means voting for someone else at the next general election, which we all have the opportunity to do.

Nope. That is how I read his speech. Also how all of the mainstream papers interpreted it - including the pro-labour ones. It is rare that my interpretation is the same as the independents.

But just like his Island of Strangers speech - labour HQ seem to have realised the mis step and are rowing back.

And do you think it would be right that if you fell on hard times and needed to claim benefits that your third child would be deemed not deserving of support?

The "feckless women churning out babies for benefits" is a trope that has no place on a woman-centred site IMHO.

Farage promotes anti vaccine sentiment, he wants tighter abortion laws which reduce women’s rights over their own bodies, he wants an insurance based system like the US instead of having the NHS.
i am convinced we will be poorer both economically and morally under him.

Could anyone help me out with a quote here, please? Esp @Bumblebee72

I have read the transcript of the speech twice

I'm obviously not looking at the conference all day, but there seems to be a lot of anger about what was said, but it must've happened outside the speech?

Thank you

if I don't come back soon, I'm not ignoring you, I've just got an awful lot of work this afternoon.

Mr 'Sovereignty' is following a script entirely written in the US.

If you want us to be like Puerto Rico (only colder), vote Reform, go on...

Which papers have said that? Perhaps link one?

if we don't fight the fascist tide now, we will bitterly regret it.Reform as a protest vote is democracy hanging itself

This, one thousand times.

America may have seen its last truly democratic presidential election for a very long time. What is happening there should make us very, very cautious: we have no God-given right to democracy.

Yes but Reform will lift the two child benefit cap for WORKING families.

Also how all of the mainstream papers interpreted it - including the pro-labour ones

Could you link to the pro-Labour papers which have said Starmer has called people the enemy of the state?

Why would you call it a deportation plan when all on IRL will be offered the opportunity to stay, both via a traditional visa system or via taking citizenship?

Just to clear I’m really not trying to be argumentative I’m just trying to understand your point of view.

As far as I am aware NF wants to take decisive action re the NHS and accept it is not working and we needed a funded private care system that actually works.

I agree with this.

I know that KS is a wet, pussy footing around, indecisive, can't stick to his own decisions kind of goverment. I can't think of a worse type of goverment to have during challenging times. I mean we need one who is looking out for US. You know his own country, his own citizens. God forbid we come first.

And please god let someone sack RR before the budget before she can do any more damage. The increase in debt on her watch has been quite staggering.

He didn’t. The OP either didn’t listen properly or just didn’t understand what he was saying.

Yes they can and yes they will

Maybe you should do your research properly and look into where the Reform funding is coming from, foreign influence and why Farage has the support of people like Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

Farage is not a patriot or a friend of democracy.

Absolutely this!

He was very careful not to stir up division by calling Reform voters racist.

Yep

Oh well. If they do perhaps it will give the conservatives and labour parties pause for thought and maybe they will then get their acts together. Who knows! I'm not hopeful mind.

Meanwhile Japan is opening up because their businesses need more workers: https://asia.nikkei.com/spotlight/japan-immigration/98-of-japan-business-leaders-support-accepting-more-foreign-workers-poll
Our loss. Their gain.

just looked at the daily mail and they don’t say that either…they say ‘enemy’ of Britain but then clarify what was actually said underneath

How utterly pathetic.

@R0ckandHardPlace

[Reform supporters] must take responsibility for educating themselves about the aims and views of that organisation…

…Farage has made it clear that he wants to deport EVERYONE who isn’t British born.

I’m no fan of Farage or Reform but that is absolutely not his view.

The ‘educate yourself’ schtick from people who haven’t educated themselves at all (or who are being dishonest) is really tiresome.

It’s no different from claiming Corbyn wanted Soviet gulags. It just degrades the debate and turns off reasonable people.

No politicians give a toss about most of us. They never have. Anyone that thinks Labour is the caring party is a bit naïve 🤷‍♀️

If Labour want people to vote for them, in future, they need to drop their obsession with Reform, and start showing some competence somewhere useful..

Tbh I'm actually sick of everyone having to tip toe around reform, it needs to be called out. It is a far right party and that is a slippery slope towards facism. All the awful events of the last century have happened because when these sorts of parties are on the rise, people sat back and let them.

All these facist parties start with scapegoating a particular group of people, everyone nods along or doesn't say anything and then you end up with awful things happening.

I'm not Starmers biggest fan but I don't know what he's been playing at previously trying to win reform voters. They're never going to vote Labour and he was isolating the lefts core support.

Or sell our Islands to trump and we'll end up as some small, antiquated American state 😱 they'll send anyone who doesn't behave to El Salvador.