Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

Thankyou miss Scarlett.

Tbf going from 4 MPs to over 300 in polls in 14 months whilst Labour is in power does fit that description.

Put it this way - I shall not ‘rise’ to your goading.

But, I stand by my post - in 2024, Reform were obviously unable to win the GE. Premised on today’s polling, they would.

I shall let you dwell on that.

Oh, and incidentally, we all know that the November budget is going to prove a catastrophe for this wretched government - Reeves will doubtless turn on the waterworks again, what good it will do her, when Starmer runs her over. Rayner is best off out of it…

Night, night.

Ah, thanks for the explanation.

Follow up question - how does one know if a poster is a Reform supporter, unless they explicitly say so?

My mum isn't naive. She pretends she is to play the victim when challenged. But she's just a racist in denial.

It feels like a bloody race to the bottom.

I said nothing of the sort.

I think you need to take some time out and calm down.

Well, there is still a bit of time to go! Polls are a snapshot in time not a prediction. I remember when UKIP/The Brexit Party (can't quite remember which one) was on something like 23% of the vote and everyone got excited.

Plus the problem for Reform is how its vote will be distributed. Vote share does not equal seat share, as we saw in 2024. Reform got 14% of the vote but won only 5 (0.8%)seats.

Nope, not til they make voting electronic.

Yeap plenty of time, and the Labour infighting has only just begun, god help us. How long will with Burnham sit and whole rocks before making an actual challenge.

I think problems occur because we are taught about the so called far right nationalist "socialist " workers party.
Very little is done on the so called far left Communists and "socialists" most UK history classes stop at the end of world war 2>
If they didn't like me most would realise far left and far right meet on the middle and of course with corbyns brush with power and vicious momentum ,we had Jewish leaders writing open letters in the national press begging us not to vote far left Corbyn in .

<Wonders whether we'll continue to see such joyous spectacles in this new fascist state as the Egypt style mob sexual assaults we've been seeing in Europe the past decade. Like the one in Germany where 1200 women were assaulted in one night by middle eastern men.> 🤔

You can tell conference is going badly as rather than being at the bar lots of the activists seem to be hear trying to tell is not as bad as what we observe. Must be depressing when your Home secretary announces a whole load of policies which your leader said were "racist" last week.

I think the problem occurs because quite a lot of people are racist. When you have an openly racist party like reform, they flock to it.

I think I'd still take the fascist state over living in Afghanistan tbh.

They’re all over the place with this. Do they want those voters back or to insult them.

The polls do show seat share in their analysis, atm over 300

The problem is no land mass on Earth can sustain a forever increasing population. Something’s going to give.

Reform have openly said they plan to remove idl retrospectively.

They plan to change the law retrospectively.

This means not only immigrants are at risk. Anyone they dislike is at risk.

If you have an issue with immigration please contact your MP or campain for other political party's to support policies you agree with.

Please do not ever ever vote for a party that openly says it will change the law retrospectively . This will put you at risk, as well as anyone else.

Yes, I have seen that, but not how the seat share was calculated. Do you know if it is shown anywhere? Did the pollsters poll in each constituency? If you do know or have a link please share.

You want to talk about womens rights. Look at reform, every single pro women law that has entered parliament has been voted against. One of the reform mps has been to prison for domestic violence, but let's be scared of the brown men coming over here instead. If you want to protect womens rights you would not be voting for reform.

@AxMxPfan what happens to women and children in turkey ?

You lost me at labour being committed to democracy..

@Lunagold unfortunately Islam doesn't seem to be a bastion of equal rights like many religions .
But the constant reference to sex constantly separating men and women Sharia law women denied basic human rights in Islamic countries doesn't bode well does it.

Here you go, the turquoise is rather a lot, especially for MPs. It talks about the methodology at the bottom.

https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/latest-insights/more-in-common-s-september-mrp/