To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

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Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

Many posters on MN have had no problem doing exactly that.

It was our foreign aid budget. They've stopped sending a large proportion of it abroad to help millions, and keep it here towards supporting thousands of men instead.

For me core British values are what needs to be protected: democracy, tolerance, freedom of expression, rights of women, the rule of law (ie English/Scottish law).

The problem with much of the immigration we have is that they don’t bring those values, and don’t assimilate to those values. The culture they bring, steeped in a medieval Islamic worldview, is fundamentally opposed to each one of the five values I’ve outlined. To allow this culture to grow and thrive, whilst making no attempt to insist on it integrating and adapting to these core British values, is like letting a cancer destroy your body from within whilst refusing treatment.

As I have written elsewhere, I have no problem with migration or migrants, provided they arrive with a job offer than doesn't require top up benefits, and that expires with the job. No path to citizenship, unless you own property. Similar to taking a job in the UAE. You can only stay while you work, because there's no unemployment benefit payable and no pension, only the native born can be full citizens.

It is why the displaced people from all over don't even try to go to the Gulf states. The co-religion plea falls on deaf ears there.

Wow...Islamic people are a cancer to British society? Are you having a laugh. How many people do you know who display the values you have outlined?! Very few.

Also educate yourself on Islam. Noy fundamentalism.

Nobody doing wither deliveroo driving or working in a care home will ever be supporting themselves adequately, let alone their family. We are importing benefit recipients.

People are more emboldened because of flags and rhetoric from those who seem to hate those with a different skin colour or religion. Scary.

Tolerance, freedom of expression, core values huh

Yes, I have got my bingo card ready and congratulations, I've just crossed your post!

I’m not referring to everyone who identifies as Muslim… there will be a wide spectrum of opinions and outlooks amongst Muslims.

However, there are cultures within our cities that have Islam at their core, that are fundamentally not aligned with core western values. To pretend otherwise is to be blind

So smallpinecone you posted this;

smallpinecone · Today 17:37

Another day, another thread on this topic, when everything the is to say has been said elsewhere.

No one is going to change their minds on this subject.

Those in favour of immigration enjoy feeling virtuous and morally superior. It makes them feel good. And talk is cheap; it’s easy for them to talk the talk, because they don’t have to walk the walk.

They don’t have to live with the negative consequences of their virtue signalling. Immigration for them means cheap nannies, cheap domestic help, a underclass of cheap foreign labour they can exploit, exciting ethnic restaurants where they boast how cultured and cosmopolitan they are. They live in nice areas and the children attend good schools, in no danger of being assaulted or raped. These people are insulated by wealth. There’s no downside.

Those who have to live with the negative consequences are told to shut up, pipe down, and everything would work out beautifully if they’d just be quiet and stop drawing attention to the problems. These people can’t move away from the areas where asylum seekers are housed. Their children are in state schools with children who don’t speak English as a first language, taught by teachers who also don’t have a high level of language skill. They can’t afford to eat in these restaurants, or employ cheap labour - they’re in direct competition with these new arrivals for their jobs. Their children are vulnerable to those who hold differing cultural values.

One group has all the advantages, all the benefits, and punishes the other group for trying to speak up about their problems and the fundamental unfairness of it. They don’t want to know - and if they do realise it, they don’t much care.

And then this:

smallpinecone · Today 19:26

Why are you directing this at me?

I don’t feel poverty or discomfort. I just don’t write off those experiencing the negative consequences of mass immigration as racist or bigoted. Because it’s not true.

So if you're are not living in discomfort or poverty you must be one those "insulated by wealth".

I can't keep up with all your contradictions and exaggerations, none of what you say is consistent!

No I wasn't wrong poster

There are white British people in our societies whose values do not align with Western values. To pretend otherwise is to be blind.

Um… no. It’s not your cookie. Unless you own the care home and you’re hiring the people.

British people don’t have a right to all “British money” by default. Also, how much do you know about the empire and how much wealth was stolen by Britain from other countries? Go and walk around the British museum. A lot.

Do you also resent rich foreigners who buy properties and businesses here?

Also, are you grouping the entire Western world into one category who display the same values!? 😂😂😂

Which kind of men in that hostel? British men who knew that nobody would give a fuck if they harassed a few women, or refugee men who know their asylum claim might hinge on their behaviour?

What value do we gain from having them in the UK?

There's a cost to the taxpayer, a drain on resources, a drain on physical space. There's also the negative social and cultural issues as well. Lack of integration issues.

I am actually quite offended that, because I am not all enthusiastic to add a few million extra people to the UK's population without considering who they are and what they might bring, I must be some kind of racist who automatically thinks PoC are lesser. I can't even find words sufficient to spit rage at this sentiment.

What is British culture?

Agreed. And then some of these people will watch Titanic and cry at people drowning and think they’re amazing people because they can cry at a movie.

Where the fuck are you getting your numbers from? The Daily Mail?

Your comment shows exactly why there is lack of integration 🙄

Where the fuck do people think British money comes from!!

That sounds a bit like bullshit to me, so I asked chatgbt, which didn’t know, but guessed that it would be a “trivial minority”.

But also… the fact that you think that being a care worker or a deliveroo driver can’t pay you enough to live (and we DO need people do these jobs), then surely the logic is that we should just be paying these essential workers more?

I bet you a lot of people relied on delivery drivers during the pandemic! We were happy to call them essential workers then.