To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

[GreenFairy93]

Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

Spades are spades.

You call a spade a spade, then… is that something you endorse, people saying exactly what they think with no filter?

If we only pay for taxes on things we like, would that be limited to just refugees? Or should we also make it so only people who have kids in the state education system should pay for schools? What about state pensions, presumably those of us with good private pensions can opt out of that (apart from some do gooders worried about poor pensioners who failed to save up enough, they can always donate if they want, as you suggest). We could make the NHS an optional system that you can pay into if you want, or get private insurance if you want? Hmm, not everyone will want to pay for the police either, they get a lot of criticism. Maybe just make taxes optional entirely?

That isn't correct.

The Grant Rate for asylum claims has now fallen to below 50%

www.ein.org.uk/news/grant-rate-asylum-claims-falls-below-50-number-claims-reaches-record-high-111000

Can I ask the Pro Illegal Immigration in this thread what they make of this?

Freedom of speech, right?

You’re allowed to call me naive (aware it was a PP), and I’m allowed to state facts rather than “perhaps, maybe” speculation.

Have you got one that links those figures to immigration?

I would assume somebody wouldn't go on holiday to somewhere they fear for their safety. If you think thats unreasonable, argue why it’s a reasonable thing to do, rather than just dismissing it.

If you turn a blind eye to people who are apparently destitute getting Deliveroo food deliveries, put a case for why that’s reasonable, rather than criticising somebody for pointing it out.

It’s as reasonable for you to be inherently trusting and positive towards undocumented men as it is for me to not.

What a ridiculous thing to say!

Midnight oil didn’t say anything remotely resembling that?

If you’ve got to make up accusations to argue against it shows a very weak position.

That would all be fair enough, if the food intake of other people was any of your or my business - for example.

I do not care if someone orders a takeaway. I care about the facts, and the fact is they’re given x amount by the HO. Them ordering a Deliveroo doesn’t change that fact, or change the amount that’s coming out of the public pocket.

Like I said, speculation. We don’t have access to every asylum seeker or migrants bank account. What they have and how they spend it isn’t our concern. What they get from us, is - and that’s the amounts we discussed earlier. Everything else isn’t our business, because it’s not coming out of our funds.

I was just asking whether you agree with that principle, people calling a spade a spade. People saying exactly what they think, regardless of how unpleasant or disagreeable others might find it.

I agree with people of all opinions having freedom of speech, but not freedom of consequence.

If what you’re saying is illegal, incites violence, is discriminatory- there are consequences to that. But people are free to hold different opinions.

I don’t think that’s a controversial standpoint.

You don’t care, that’s fine. Others are allowed to care - and do. They feel it is their business, since they’re the ones funding it. That’s perfectly justifiable.

There is focus on non taxed work though? Apparently even France think we have an issue.

Judging by the frequently venomous posts on MN, it can’t be said often enough.

I suppose that depends if we’re interested what others claiming public funds spend it on, too?

That is absolutely appalling.
”They had been told to say nothing.”
Fuck me.

Jesus.
How do more people not know about this.

If a charity solicited donations for a particular cause, and then used those funds for other purposes, do you think those who had contributed would feel slightly annoyed?

So it's okay to wish for the death of desperate young men risking it all for a better life? People did a laughing emoji on a news story about two children dying and justified it by saying 'they're probably not children at all, it's all 20 year olds pretendingto be younger'. Whoever they were and no matter how old, they were someone's son or daughter so I'm appalled that anyone can laugh about it.

People don’t typically want them dead, no. They just don’t want them here.

They are having a better life where I live. They are making loads of money selling drugs through the barbershop they have set up as a front. As far as I’m aware there’s nothing to run away from in Albania which is where these particular people have come from.

Says the poster who is constantly making 'personal' remarks. I don't know how long you have been on MN but this was initially a chat forum not a space for party political propaganda!

It's self evident from this post and your many posts that you literally have no filter- perhaps take your own advice and pipe down with the character assessments.

Well this thread is about the people who do want them dead and are calling for their boats to be sunk by the armed forces to ensure they don't get here.